Engine Swap 2000 civic

[wasay_ahmed]

@supercharger
as poster said how abt bolton Jackson racing supercharger how good would it be?

[furri]

i meant the comment above wasay's comment lol

[immad100]

@poster SpoonMotorSports is ri8,he is the man when it comes to honda motors.
some days back i was too in the same situation as you are at present.
souped up the internals of my d16w9,well its a long tale summry is that it got blown.
i asked SpoonMotorSports(a great budd) and we broke into the decesion that i'l have to go for k20 for poweer,though i'l compromise on consumption.
i'l get the k20 this evening:)
will make a thread and update u all:)

[shehroze121]

here is the deal bro a d16z6 comes around 125hp from factory.Its a vtec sohc motor and around 144nm torque

a vtec engine let that be a b16 or d15 is fuel economical and powerful both at the same time! thanx to Hondas vtec system but yeah a certain engine that is made for fuel economical state in mind will always be better than a vtec engine bellow vtec you will always get good mileage around 12-13 with all the dseries and bseries engine if the engine is in pristine condition and fully tuned to factory specs now you have to compromise both power and economy a little bit to get the benefit of both at the same time but if you want a motor that gives you 22km/Liter and is around 200hp - so sorry for raining on your parade but i never came across such engineering by Honda nor by any other car manufacturer
your best bet will be sohc vtec with a good intake setup good exhaust setup and a spare chipped ecu with a good set of clutch

How much would a d16z6 cost me in prime condition. Please tell me about air induction which would you prefer supercharger of turbo? and their effects on fuel consumption on low revs..

[SpoonMotorSports]

How much would a d16z6 cost me in prime condition. Please tell me about air induction which would you prefer supercharger of turbo? and their effects on fuel consumption on low revs..

there is a d16z6 in peshawar complete with aftermarkt 4-2-1 headers he is asking 70k when i inspected the engine the head was opened and the stock fpr plate was blocked the engine looked like a performance overhauled you should be able find a d15,d16 around 60-75k depending on your bargain skills as far as air induction system goes i dont like superchargers at all they are responsive but lack in power and makes the engine rev abit slower its more like a parasite and can damage your crank/bearings if the supercharger pulley is in a bad shape sudden boost can kill your tranny aswell where as a turbo is more fuel efficient provides more power and pretty much easier to find why fuel efficient? the reason is variable boost even if you set your wastegate setup to 20psi you wont be able to get to 20psi in first gear all of a sudden and can cruise with no problems at all but hey thats what i prefer - a turbo over a supercharger but mostly 90% of force fed hondas are turbocharged tuning for fuel efficiency isn't a hard task but takes time and some money you'll be getting as much as 15+Km/Litter if your engine control unit is tuned professionally (actually that isnt that hard but it takes time - say around 30 dyno pulls or more!?!?) but once you are in boost BYE BYE FUEL economy

[immad100]

@poster put this through your mind that u cant get performance and economy at the same time,u will have to compromise for one thing.
btw if i were at your place......i think b16 is the motor for you,power,reliability and if u want economy that much,get it cng'd:D

[shehroze121]

there is a d16z6 in peshawar complete with aftermarkt 4-2-1 headers he is asking 70k when i inspected the engine the head was opened and the stock fpr plate was blocked the engine looked like a performance overhauled you should be able find a d15,d16 around 60-75k depending on your bargain skills as far as air induction system goes i dont like superchargers at all they are responsive but lack in power and makes the engine rev abit slower its more like a parasite and can damage your crank/bearings if the supercharger pulley is in a bad shape sudden boost can kill your tranny aswell where as a turbo is more fuel efficient provides more power and pretty much easier to find why fuel efficient? the reason is variable boost even if you set your wastegate setup to 20psi you wont be able to get to 20psi in first gear all of a sudden and can cruise with no problems at all but hey thats what i prefer - a turbo over a supercharger but mostly 90% of force fed hondas are turbocharged tuning for fuel efficiency isn't a hard task but takes time and some money you'll be getting as much as 15+Km/Litter if your engine control unit is tuned professionally (actually that isnt that hard but it takes time - say around 30 dyno pulls or more!?!?) but once you are in boost BYE BYE FUEL economy

And which turbo would you exactly recommend.. And the cost as well :p. So what ur trying to say is that with a turbo and a d16z6 And optiimum tunning i can have around somewhat 130 hp and 15km/litre.

As for the last part didnt get what ur saying. What i understood was the once i rev the car lets say in a race then Zero fuel economy ? if that is so then i am perfectly fine with it. During a race or a period of revving i am least concerened abt the fuel economy. But during normal routine it should be good. And if the setup u reccoment will give me 15km/l on a normal daily drive with a turbo Then That is JUST WHAT I WANTED

[SpoonMotorSports]

And which turbo would you exactly recommend.. And the cost as well :p. So what ur trying to say is that with a turbo and a d16z6 And optiimum tunning i can have around somewhat 130 hp and 15km/litre.
[I]the turbo that you use depends on your pocket everyone wants a gt40r dual BB turbo NO!? remember the bigger the turbo the lesser the boost

[/I] As for the last part didnt get what ur saying. What i understood was the once i rev the car lets say in a race then Zero fuel economy ? if that is so then i am perfectly fine with it. During a race or a period of revving i am least concerened abt the fuel economy. But during normal routine it should be good. And if the setup u reccoment will give me 15km/l on a normal daily drive with a turbo Then That is JUST WHAT I WANTED
[I]yes but you would be needing larger injectors FPR a good fuel cell a good fuel pump and someone who would kill his time on your low cam fuel tables when you roam around in normal cruise your tuner should shoot for 14.1 afrs if possible with tuned timing according to boost but dont fall into this your tuner should be doing all this and with a light foot you'd be having a good mileage even with a not so perfect tune under boost(means when you arn't boosting just cruising) you should be getting atleast 11km/l[/I]

[shehroze121]

And which turbo would you exactly recommend.. And the cost as well :p. So what ur trying to say is that with a turbo and a d16z6 And optiimum tunning i can have around somewhat 130 hp and 15km/litre.
[I]the turbo that you use depends on your pocket everyone wants a gt40r dual BB turbo NO!? remember the bigger the turbo the lesser the boost

[/I] As for the last part didnt get what ur saying. What i understood was the once i rev the car lets say in a race then Zero fuel economy ? if that is so then i am perfectly fine with it. During a race or a period of revving i am least concerened abt the fuel economy. But during normal routine it should be good. And if the setup u reccoment will give me 15km/l on a normal daily drive with a turbo Then That is JUST WHAT I WANTED
[I]yes but you would be needing larger injectors FPR a good fuel cell a good fuel pump and someone who would kill his time on your low cam fuel tables when you roam around in normal cruise your tuner should shoot for 14.1 afrs if possible with tuned timing according to boost but dont fall into this your tuner should be doing all this and with a light foot you'd be having a good mileage even with a not so perfect tune under boost(means when you arn't boosting just cruising) you should be getting atleast 11km/l[/I]

Bro Kindly gime a quote price of all the stuff i would need and and the fair prices at which i should get them. And what exactly i should ask my tuner to do.
Kindly tell me in a bit of detail so that i may understand that as well. U can pm me that if u wish

[Badpigs]

current situation
y not go for B series FRANK in their and keeping it stock with just stage one upgrades ?

[SpoonMotorSports]

Bro Kindly gime a quote price of all the stuff i would need and and the fair prices at which i should get them. And what exactly i should ask my tuner to do.
Kindly tell me in a bit of detail so that i may understand that as well. U can pm me that if u wish

hmm ok here is the rough estimate
there is a guy on pakwheels who is selling a gt28rs looks fine to me that is one of the ideal turboes for 15k i guess
t3/t25/t28/td05-16g/kkk26 these turbos will cost around 12-20k depending on condition
intercooler(not necessary but should have one for better performance)=10-15k new
bov(necessary)=4k-40k depends on what type of blowoff valve do you want
exhaust manifold+boostpiping+downpipe(necessary)=15k
clutch+pressureplate stage2 just to be on the safe side=25k
heat 6range plugs or higher if knock is there=1.2k
a good flowing fuel pump=4k
fpr=5k
larger injectors 440cc or above=10k maybe
boost gauge/oil pressure gauge/airfuel ratio gauge/exhaust temprature gauge=8k
boost controller=(4.5k new)
chipped ecu=? depends on tuner 8K+
rest fitting and labor the oil fed and others
anyone who wants to add what i missed plz feel free to add

[suzukialtomehran]

Check this pic for idea

[UJ_36]

papa ne kitne paise diye munna ko zarra humain b btao......:P:P:P:P.......first of all i not suggest u to go for turbo......if ur getting turbo setup in 50-60k...... then don"nt think that it will b in ur car in 80-90 k.....turbo ko set hotay huay bht se maslay atay hay......ik jata hay to dosra ata hay....3 4 tune up k baad set hoti hay.....Fitting+tune up ka pta hay kitne paise lete hay???....u neeeeedd deep pockets to handle a turbo......as ur saying,eco+fast.....as SpoonMotorSports explained Very well......they both are different things......aur ye pungay family car k sth nae lete...seprate car honi chaiye........car workshop may 1-2weeks rehte hay....

[UJ_36]

Best things had been suggested u by Wonder_guy.....get ur car stock engine to stage 3 performance parts........get it low....catcbck,downpipe 2.50",ACT/Exceedy clucth n pressure plates............etc.....or get ur engine to N/a setup.............if don"nt want ur stock engine ....thn Only Ill suggest u for B16 Stage 1.....i have experience all the things........at the stage u are bt only the difference is our civic was 98.....

[UJ_36]

Check out the cleanest B16 swaped.......


and the sexiest civc 00 in town.....:):)

[shehroze121]

papa ne kitne paise diye munna ko zarra humain b btao......:P:P:P:P.......first of all i not suggest u to go for turbo......if ur getting turbo setup in 50-60k...... then don"nt think that it will b in ur car in 80-90 k.....turbo ko set hotay huay bht se maslay atay hay......ik jata hay to dosra ata hay....3 4 tune up k baad set hoti hay.....Fitting+tune up ka pta hay kitne paise lete hay???....u neeeeedd deep pockets to handle a turbo......as ur saying,eco+fast.....as SpoonMotorSports explained Very well......they both are different things......aur ye pungay family car k sth nae lete...seprate car honi chaiye........car workshop may 1-2weeks rehte hay....

Okai now that pretty insulting i guess.. Atm i have 2 cars 1 reborn as u can see in my album. a Gli and this third one that i just bought. DOnt beleive me add me up on fb there u can see my garage. That ans ur question for family car. As for the tune ups and all that stuff. I am least bothered about that. I dont need money for that cuz i have my sources here in ISB! Next money well apart from what was used in buying the car i have 3.5lakhs. That i think should be enough.. And as for the eco bit. Its my right to know where i can save money. Aparently my dad's not a black market dealer. So yes where i can save money i will. And asking for advises aint an issue.. Or am i wrong. If so kindly do correct me.

[shehroze121]

Check this pic for idea

Thanks brother. BUt what i have in mind. Hasnt been tried by any one in Pak.. soo yes its one hell of a drumm roll ;D

[rohaansaeed]

Hahahaha okay this is wack.

The poster wants fuel economy AND power at the same time, and you guys are suggesting Turbocharging a D-series, swapping in a H22, K20, B16? Pathetic.

@poster: With all due respect, since it's Papa's money, let me ask you, are you facing any problem with your current engine? If not, then swapping in a D16Z6 would be a waste which is the best option here in terms of fuel economy and a reasonable amount of power for a daily runner.

Oh and PLEASE don't rice up the car with "Kick-**** "visual mods".
Stock is best with just a few upgrades here and there.

Reply me with an answer and I'll guide you further with this, peace

and not to forget, I will quote Ahad's signature here:
Reliable, Fast, Cheap....Pick two

[shehroze121]

Hahahaha okay this is wack.

The poster wants fuel economy AND power at the same time, and you guys are suggesting Turbocharging a D-series, swapping in a H22, K20, B16? Pathetic.

@poster: With all due respect, since it's Papa's money, let me ask you, are you facing any problem with your current engine? If not, then swapping in a D16Z6 would be a waste which is the best option here in terms of fuel economy and a reasonable amount of power for a daily runner.

Oh and PLEASE don't rice up the car with "Kick-**** "visual mods".
Stock is best with just a few upgrades here and there.

Reply me with an answer and I'll guide you further with this, peace

and not to forget, I will quote Ahad's signature here:
Reliable, Fast, Cheap....Pick two

First thing. Tell me how old are u? seeing ur avatar ur 19 as well.. Do u earn??? Then why is "PAPA's money being an issue here" Does it really matter where i get my money from... And if i did mention it why like typical people are u trying to make a fun out of that? okai bro i got it ur superior. now can we get back to the topic. Well actually yes am facing a bit of problems with the stock setup. its done 150k.. And bound to drop down any moment. Well a plain d16z6 would do the job i guess. I just wanted to know that if a turbo didnt have fuel economy effects on low revs. so i could have given it a go... but if u guys recommend not to then Yeah sure...Well its not gonna be riced up. Its gone be plain and simple. Yet very very unique. Sure brother thats what i am here for Advise. And not to be told abt how i should spend my Dad's money

[shehroze121]

OHh one aspect i totally forgot to mention. Reliability easily available parts and stuff..