Haval " H6 " Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[pwuser153204433523]

Test drove the H6 1.5T (Non Hev) today

Loved its features, big cabin and feel of the car however the drive felt a bit underpowered and I am concerned about its reliability

Now I am confused between getting a tuscon awd or the H6 1.5 T

what would you guys suggest in this situation?

[pwuser167550015690]

Reliability doesn't have anything to do with power, so given the record so far, it's not any worse than any other manufacturer here, included the big 3.

That said, power is directly affected by size and weight so the 1.5T (151 hp) would definitely feel sluggish compared to a 2.0 AWD (155 hp) Tuscon since the H6 is also larger and heavier.

In reality however, it also comes down to what's on offer, and the Tuscon model has been outdated internationally for a while and lags the H6 in terms of features.

[tech_wiz]

Small CC turbo engines have less longevity than NA. That’s proven time and time again across multiple manufacturers. Since longevity is a by product of reliability over time, it’s safe to say a 2.0 NA would have less problems per 100K KMs compared to a smaller displacement turbo engine.

[pwuser167550015690]

Sazgar (and GWM internationally) offers a 6-year / 150,000 km standard warranty and a 10-year / 1,000,000 km engine warranty on all models of the H6, so I wouldn't be worried about that at all.

A manufacturer doesn't offer such a long warranty if it expects it would have to eat the cost during it's lifecycle so they likely expect the engine to be fine after 10 years despite the turbo.

[tech_wiz]

That's just marketing to sell their cars. I agree it looks good written on a paper but offering warranty is just one (smaller) part of the equation while actually claiming it at a future date is the main part.

Good luck trying to claim a failed internal engine part under warranty after 3 years/100K. They will make all types of excuses and tell you how this specific part is either not covered under warranty and/or it was "damaged" which voids warranty T&Cs.

Case in point, Chinese are following a strategy Korean manufacturers followed earlier by offering longer warranty periods over Japanese manufacturers. Even now, more often than not, in many countries Hyundai/Kia would offer longer warranty coverages. This hasn't stopped them from turning down warranty claims (especially around engine, drive trains) or flatly refusing to honour citing all kinds of reasons from accelerated damage to the part to not being covered under warranty to failing a periodic maintenance from dealership and breaching their T&Cs.

BTW, you can also completely flip this argument around and say Japanese cars don't offer long warranty periods because their failure rate is a lot less, i.e. they don't need it because it doesn't make sense to offer a 10 year warranty on a Camry right? Everyone knows its a workhorse and will run for generations. So, a manufacturer offering 10 year warranty is reason enough that things will fail quicker and their extended warranty is a hedge. Japanese cars last longer than Korean and Chinese cars while offering shorter warranty than both globally.

[darthvader]

Good luck trying to claim a failed internal engine part under warranty after 3 years/100K. They will make all types of excuses and tell you how this specific part is either not covered under warranty and/or it was "damaged" which voids warranty T&Cs.

No offence but that's a whole lot of BS without any concrete evidence. Do you know anyone personally who went through this?

[darthvader]

That’s proven time and time again across multiple manufacturers.

Again, any concrete evidence for this? Or do you know something Toyota doesn't that they moved from a 5.7L V8 NA to a 3.5L Twin Turbo V6.

[daniyalcars72]

toyota moving from a bigger displacement NA(naturally aspirated) engine to a smaller displacement turbo charged engine is to meet the strict emission regulation standards that governments are imposing especially in european countries this doesnt prove anything just shows that its getting more difficult for car manufacturers to give bigger engines hence they are forced to downsize and add turbochargers to diminish the power problem ..no doubt the engine manages to output more power then a bigger Na engine but it lacks the reliability and character of the bigger na and that linear torque..a na engine will anyday last longer and give less problems then a turbocharged smaller cc engine in the longer run. many other companies are also doing this.

[daniyalcars72]

10 years is irrelevant what matters is the numbers on the odometer as soon as it hits 100k or 150k thats when the true test of a turbocharged engine starts and it will likely give more issue then a na at same mileage although this varies depending on how well the owner maintained the car but the risk will remain at higher mileage of a force induction engine as its stressed more then na all its working life more wear and tear.

[tech_wiz]

Please go to google and perhaps, for example, search “New toyota 3.5 v6 turbo recall”. There is enough evidence if one wants to look beyond constant BS that manufacturers spread and people on forums repeat.

Follow engine recalls and failures across newer small CC high pressure turbo GDI cars (German, Japanese, Korean all alike) or talk with any worthy mechanic in US and gulf who repairs these cars for a living and you’ll know within 5 mins. There are workshops established entirely to cater to in-warranty cars that are turned down by their dealerships over T&Cs.

Just because someone doesn’t know doesn’t mean its BS. Evidence of this is everywhere. I am just reiterating here because in Pakistan (unlike other countries) car ownership span tends to be very long and people who have bought into this hype and tend to keep their cars for long are in for major surprises.

In developed markets, this isn’t really a problem because ownership cycle is shorter and depreciation is much higher.

[tech_wiz]

Just to give a quick example, there are cases of Peugeot 2008s here that have had their engines damaged by driving in standing water. Standing water which was so shallow that no other cars next to 2008s had any issue. Warranty claims were turned down. One owner got a 50 lac bill over engine/gearbox failure while in warranty. Same goes for their timing belt issue. Head over to 2008 forums here and read.

Similarly, not going to waste more time on this but oil dilution was practically unheard of in NA honda engines before L15B7 came in.

Same goes for hyundai/kia GDI engines. Google is full of their engine failures prior to warranty expiry and substandard claim approval.

[mgalaxy3]

For turbo engines it’s like CVTs.

Depends on who is making it.

Toyota CVTs are rock solid. Not many issues. Other manufacturers have had tons of troubles and recalls.

I’m not sure what are the most reliable turbo engines in the world right now (based on actual longevity data) or who manufactures them.

But yeah theoretically they can be more fragile if not manufactured properly.

[tech_wiz]

Toyota just recalled 100K Lexus, Tundra and other vehicles with their newest 3.5 Twin Turbo engines. To the point they are swapping entire engines.

Point is that statistically speaking, failure of engine components is quicker in smaller high pressure turbo GDI engines. More moving parts=less reliability. High internal pressures=quicker failure (especially if maintenance is done in laziness).

[pwuser167550015690]

Just today I claimed warranty for a mechanical part from Changan after the warranty was already expired so I don't think it's fair to assume the worst without actually trying that first.

If they don't honor warranties (which the Big 3 try to weasel out of all the time), their reputation would completely tank while exposing them to legal liability. Warranty terms are legally binding and the terms and conditions cover things in detail.

I've claimed warranty for a lot of things (electronics, appliances, gadgets, mechanical stuff) in the past without too much hassle right here in Pakistan so our experiences might be different, but we shouldn't presume malice here without any evidence.

BTW, you can also completely flip this argument around and say Japanese cars don't offer long warranty periods because their failure rate is a lot less, i.e. they don't need it because it doesn't make sense to offer a 10 year warranty on a Camry right? Everyone knows its a workhorse and will run for generations. So, a manufacturer offering 10 year warranty is reason enough that things will fail quicker and their extended warranty is a hedge. Japanese cars last longer than Korean and Chinese cars while offering shorter warranty than both globally.

I'm sorry but this argument didn't make sense to me.

A warranty is a manufacturer putting their money on the line saying if their thing breaks, they'll fix it without cost. It has a financial cost and legal risk associated with it that a company needs to justify to shareholders. If I'm Toyota and I'm sure my Camry won't break for 10 years, then I have absolutely no risk offering a 10-year warranty on it. Toyota's advantage isn't that it won't break, it's that when it does break, it would be very cheap to fix it.

Also, look into why Toyota is having so many issues lately (including in Japan with multiple models breaking) and you'll figure out why they don't offer long warranties anymore.

[darthvader]

Please go to google and perhaps, for example, search “New toyota 3.5 v6 turbo recall”.

Do you even know what that recall is for? It has nothing to do with it being a turbo charged engine. How many 1GD engines have been recalled?

Follow engine recalls and failures across newer small CC high pressure turbo GDI cars

Small turbo charged engines have been part of German cars for DECADES. They literally have them in all their C class cars from 15 years ago, all the way to the S and G class. I don't even remember when Porsche made all NA engines. They've been turbo charged for ages.

And again, how many of those recalls were due to those engines being turbo charged?

Just to give a quick example, there are cases of Peugeot 2008s here that have had their engines damaged by driving in standing water.

Yes I'm sure it's the turbo charger that sucked in all that standing water. Get real please.

[saad0irfan]

Peugeot manual clearly states that owners should not drive in standing water at all. This discussion has been done somewhere at the end of the Peugeot 2008 thread

[tech_wiz]

As usual you are not reading to understand but only reading to reply. Good day.

[darthvader]

I didn't ask you a difficult question, in fact I've asked it twice and you're cleverly trying to ignore it, so I'll give it one more shot. Why did Toyota recall the 3.5L V6 engines and how are they related to them being turbocharged? What does Peogeot 2008's water issue have to do with it being turbo charged?

[tech_wiz]

If you don't know the impact of accelerated wear on engine internals (either natural or caused in this case by bad manufacturing/quality control testing, i.e. machining debris left inside) under high pressure which itself is exacerbated when running boosted due to turbo, then perhaps you should spend some time learning the fact that failure caused by turbo is not exclusively isolated to only turbo unit going bad which you are indirectly implying again and again because recall does not list "turbo housing".

Also, "any" engine running on forced induction (i.e., turbo) will have higher wear as compared to same engine running NA.

WHICH is why turbo engines have ALOT more stringent maintenance schedules.

Also, my point regarding 2008 WAS NOT on it being turbo. It was about warranty not being claimable due to water damage under common circumstances where all others car could pass through the same standing water level "except" 2008. I was highlighting the fact that car manufacturers CAN and WILL turn down warranty claims citing their "terms can conditions" AFTER you have bought the car and never telling upfront like in Peugeot's case "what" level of standing water they consider dangerous. 10mm? 20mm or 100mm?

[zee5han]

How much is the registration cost for isb? for h6 hev , especially after budget.