Haval " H6 " Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[zee5han]

yundai keep the prices same. Competition is good for consumers.Let's see what Sazgar do in terms of pricing. I don't expect they will immediately reduce the prices. I think they will first monitor the market.

With Elantra , This tucson hybrid , and santafe hybrid , Hynudai has set up a very nice hybrid lineup

[ifadey]

That stats are global, not China specific.
I foresee this based on the upcoming EV tech and the global markets/news I have been following. Currently EV tech is expensive, hence the subsidies are present in some regions. It's a matter of few years time when the market will sustain without subsidies. Every year the battery cost is going down rapidly. Check the yearly graph. Then comes the new battery technologies which will reduce cost, improve range, and charging time. Currently LFP (Lithuim Iron Phosphate) is replacing NMC. It's cheaper, safer, has long life. Another battery tech that will reduce the cost further in budget cars is Sodium ion. Finally solid state batteries for mid to high end vehicles with super high energy density will massively increase the range, reduce weight, and lower charging time. By the year 2030, things will massively change. Just wait and watch.

Now comes the Toyota part. If they are so equipped, then why they are funding politicians and journalists to spread false news to slow down EV adoption? They don't even have decent PHEV tech. Its future PHEV models will use BYD's DM-i tech.

Multiple articles from American press that cover EV news
2023 article

Why is Toyota so anti-EV? It lost the race to compete, says Tesla and EV Council

This one is recent. Jan 2025

Toyota found to be largest auto industry funder of climate deniers in US

another one

Toyota Promoted Its Hybrid While Funding Climate Deniers - CleanTechnica

In Australia, they bribed some journalist to target defame EVs and China on his show. Not only that, he targeted Australian YouTuber who provide global EV news.

Toyota has become a company which needs to go away. The sooner it goes, the better it's for the green energy and EVs.

[mgalaxy3]

You’re getting your info from anti-ICE sources. LFP tech is more than 2 decades old and still it’s not where cars can compete with ICE in terms of range, refueling/recharging speed etc.

On top of that heat massively degrades the batteries permanently and in cold weather range is decreased significantly. The batteries are also a huge environmental waste and cannot be recycled in a feasible way so they’re not recycled.

This is not to say EVs are bad, don’t get me wrong. They have their own usage and free miles if on solar is a great thing.

But they will remain a niche market and there is currently a global anti EV trend after people got to know they’re not as environmentally good as some initial propaganda made them appear .

[ifadey]

The source is not anti-ICE. All EV news websites report the same things. Do you think all of them are anti-ICE? For your satisfaction, here's another source which reports everything about IT and tech.

"The US is slowing moving toward adopting policies that would put more
electric vehicles on the road, but for Toyota, it’s not slow enough. The
Japanese automaker, which is the largest car company in the world, has
been quietly lobbying policymakers in Washington, DC to resist the urge
to transition to an all-electric future — partly because Toyota is
lagging behind the rest of industry in making that transition itself."
https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/26/22594235/toyota-lobbying-dc-ev-congress-biden-donation

I don't know why you assume too many things by your own. I just wrote LFP is replacing NMC. The problem is you are stuck with current stats. I am telling you the future based on the new battery tech. Battery density is increasing every year. Look at BYD's 1000 kW charging and Zeekr's 1200 kW charging. These new advancements has reduced the charging time to 6 min. Things will further improve with solid state batteries.

As far as battery degradation is concerned, it's a myth. Data has proven batteries can last as long as the vehicle or even surpass the vehicle's life. This data is true of liquid cooled batteries. Not for air cooled.

Existing EV batteries may last up to 40% longer than expected

BYD taxi driven for 717,000km on original batteries
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/144it27/byd_taxi_ev_e6_717_000km_first_battery_2_months/

This Hyundai IONIQ 5 drove 360,000 miles ~ 579,364 km on its original battery
https://insideevs.com/news/754979/hyundai-ioniq-5-400000-miles/

97% of the battery is recyclable and it done by many companies today. Here are top 10 recycling companies of year 2024.
https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/blog/list-of-top-global-lithium-ion-li-ion-electric-vehicle-ev-battery-lib-closed-loop-recycling-services-companies-in-the-world

Battery recycling factory in US

Mercedes Benz Battery Recycling Factory

Few other facts
* EVs are greener even if they are charged with fossil fuel generated energy.
* EVs are cheaper to run and maintain without solar as well.

[pwuser167550015690]

The batteries are also a huge environmental waste and cannot be recycled in a feasible way so they’re not recycled.

Umm battery recycling is a multi-billion dollar industry actually, and unsurprisingly, it's also the Chinese that are in a massive lead there.

[sohikun]

I am telling you the future based on the new battery tech. Battery density is increasing every year. Look at BYD's 1000 kW charging and Zeekr's 1200 kW charging. These new advancements has reduced the charging time to 6 min.

Wow! 6 mins ??!!? @80 or full charge? Is this tech available in pakistan? When will it be introduced in pk? I love Evs for within city travelling only, highway ~ NOWAY! EVs are definitely the future, if the government doesn't interfere with the current policies. Pakistan is unpredictable?!? Isn't it?!?

I mean ~ I'm just waiting for charging stations to be found missing . Someone arrives @ charging station, power outage 1o1. EVs are 1000% the future, but not for pk. Plus, our mechanics are axxperts in EVs ~ people just hate visiting the dealership. Mechanic say : I axxppert, he axxpert ~ proceeds to jumpstart litham battery.

Anyways, if our policies somehow stay consistent (highly unlikely, tbh), and prices go down ~ with the mass availability of charging stations and fewer power outages. Yea, then Evs will definitely be the future in pk. I really love BYD ~ their cars are amazing. I really wanted to buy the sealion-6, but yea ~ I’ll have to wait until local production starts.

4 now, I am stuck with my fj40 ~ which I drive like once a year. Still works like a charm, crank it up ~ instant work. I would love to get an Ev for within city driving, but yea, I’m waiting 4 lion 6. Otherwise, I would of gotten yuan 3 ~ beautiful car.

[mgalaxy3]

Lithium battery recycling is very cost prohibitive. There are some experiments for sure and companies taking risks but it’s not feasible or sustainable with the current tech because mining more lithium is far cheaper.

For EVs a lot depend on what future tech will be invented. I know there are a lot of things being tested but they’re not at the end user commercial stage and one can only hope that they become a reality in the next few decades so they can match ICE cars in terms of range, refueling and batteries not causing wastes.

More competition is better. EVs will remain a niche (small share in all big population countries) for a long time because charging infrastructure is not there and grid capacity issues.

[sohikun]

Lithium battery recycling is very cost prohibitive.

What recycling? We don't do that in pk 🤣 ~ I'm not sure if "burning em" is counted as recycling, but yea, it's a method in pk to recycle batteries. The whole "goooo green" is a ton of BS.

[saad0irfan]

To reduce air pollution in cities, EVs are a must.

EVs are an excellent way to reduce air pollution in a particular area. We can't say "go green" is entirely BS. Imagine just how clean the air in Lahore can get if we adopt NEVs!!

[tech_wiz]

What about the added carbon and environmental impact of manufacturing EVs? Even decades ago it was proven that even with the Prius which had lower carbon emissions and was more friendly to the environment when driven, it actually had a much greater negative environmental impact during manufacturing due to batteries and shipping of its parts across the globe before final assembly. Not to mention mining elements for the batteries.

[sohikun]

Industrial waste, deforestation ( lahore ), trash collection ~ how to recycle it ? Pk be like " burn it ". Farmers be like in winter "aaag laagaa doo". 0 regulations for older vehicles. Trash quality fuel ~ There are many other factors @ play. Why not solve em?? "GO GREEN ( cars ) " won't resolve all these issues or will it ?!? I believe in the long run, Evs will cause more pollution ~ depending on how their batteries banks are handled in pk, lmao. In pk, battery ko dafna do aur aag laga do ~ will definitely cause more pollution?!? Also, the electricity we are using is not generated via renewable resources ~ consider that aswell, unless you have a solar system @ home, but that also sometimes uses power from grid.

We can't say "go green" is entirely BS. Imagine just how clean the air in Lahore can get if we adopt NEVs!!

Sorry, it's entirely BS for now atleast. Again, there are many factors @play, solving one problem won't resolve all the factors in pk. Needless to say, production of a normal EV vehicle causes more pollution, when compared to the production of a normal ICE vehicle. Now, considering how batteries are handled in pk ~ it will cause more pollution @ global level. Welcome back to reality! We are in pk, not in usa or china, where recycling is a must. Baas aaag lagaa do.

[kameetaha]

Umm guys I believe ya'll should continue here:

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Mods; it would be appreciated if you transfer these last threads : )

[ifadey]

Very nice gesture from Sazgar for Rawalpindi/Islamabad owners

[saad0irfan]

@tech_wiz I said it's good to reduce carbon footprint in a particular area. Not on a global scale.

@sohikun batteries need disposal in about 8 or so years. We don't burn batteries every day. After 8 years, there will be proper methods of disposable, provided we give EVs a chance.

[darthvader]

No we need trees in Lahore and we need to ban 40 year old buses. We don't need EVs to reduce pollution.

[sohikun]

After 8 years, there will be proper methods of disposable, provided we give EVs a chance.

Proper methods in pk?!? No way, that's ever happening. Jis mulk mein railway tracks nahi ban sakte wahan per batteries dispose hongi?!?

No we need trees in Lahore and we need to ban 40 year old buses. We don't need EVs to reduce pollution.

This is what we need to do, EVs aren't necessary ~ they are just cost-effective ( travelling ) ~ that's how I look at it. EVs = rebound effect in pk, they will cause more damage
( long term ). I already highlighted main points, they
( mentioned points ) cause more damage combined when compared to the usage of ICE vehicles.

[saad0irfan]

@darthvader I haven't been to Lahore so maybe you're right!! But even then, most of our transport is barely euro2 complaint. This has to be upgraded for better air quality. (And the role EVs play in pollution control of a city is an undeniable fact.)

@sohikun we can't debate about the future because we don't know anything at all about it. We can only guess and speculate which aren't gonna be facts no matter what.

[zee5han]

Great gesture by HAVAL

[waqasahmed03]

amazing!

[sohikun]

we can't debate about the future because we don't know anything at all about it. We can only guess and speculate which aren't gonna be facts no matter what.

What I stated are facts, brother do you think " ye mulk tarkki karega" ?!? Do you think pakistanis will magically start recycling batteries?!? First of all, our gov is active, not proactive. When something happens, then they take the necessary steps to correct/resolve that problem ~ they won't magically start recycling batteries, until it becames a major contributor to pollution. Matter of fact, it already is a major factor ~ the percentage will likely increase in the future.

Meh, I have lost interest. EVs are only cost effective in pk, not "goo green" BS. We should focus on other factors combined, they will change the trajectory of pollution in pk.