Honda Civic 9th Gen Fan Club (2013)

[ali.archilounge]

guys.... very nice thread. read the first few pages. will return soon. I am myself considering to get a 9th gen as 2 of my friends here already bought one and are satisfied. the drive is nice. feels very calm and soft. fuel economy is excellent.

however, just recently i drove a 2008 8th gen civic with 111000 kms on it and not so well maintained one. it was noticeably faster then the 2 9th gens that us friends drive. is it really faster then a 9th gen? not that i am into racing or anything but just curious. both have same engine, may be they have different gearboxes? i didnt note but may be 8th gen has shorter gear ratios hence better acceleration but bad fuel economy and 9th gen is the opposite? whats the catch here?

I have a 2009 8th Gen driven 120000 but very well Honda Maintained and still drives like a 2012 8th Gen, and i also have a 2013 9th Gen driven 25000. Both Prosmatec which i drive alternately on different days and mood. Therefore i am going to provide you my comparison.
Acceleration: at first the 9th Gen did feel it's slow but first few thousand Kilometres it was fine. To be honest they both are equally fast and not that different.
Grip & Stability: 9th Gen is no where near 8th Gen. The 8th Gen is by miles a better car in this area. The stability of 8th at 200-km/hr is equal to 9th at 150-km/hr. 9th scares you
Brakes: the movement and response of brake paddle in 9 is abrupt and hard while 8 is slightly soft. But the Grip factor makes overall braking experience better in 8th and 9th doesn't feel good due to grip.
Comfort: 9th is better than 8th around this area. It feels softer on potholes while the 8th was hard
The softness and added clearance in 9th has given it comfort but compromised grip & stability. Obviously for that it would have been hard and low which the 8th Gen. Gets very expensive for a car maker to provide a suspension which does both jobs good. But since its a Civic so they had to give either of the two.
Interior: The 9th feels much better, a bit more charming and further more futuristic.
Fuel Economy: Yes 8th is a guzzler and 9th is much better with fuel economy.
The 8th Gen had a hydraulic Power steering but 9th has Electronic. So 8th feels more responsive as it acts natural all the time but 9th steering feels a bit less accurate.
This change in steering is also a major reason for fuel economy aling with some engine tweaks. The hydraulic steering has a direct load on engine so consumes a few percentage of fuel with that load.
At the end of the day it's actually hard to decide which is better. Both have positive and negative points. But the 8th gen feels better overall in terms of drive. I have more inclination towards it specially when i have to travel on the motorway, its a bit more precise to control. I prefer taking 8th Gen on my trips.
The fulcrum accelerator pedal of 8th rising from the floor is much comfortable for foot as compared to low budget hanging pedal of 9th. Looks like in certain areas they degraded 9th Gen purposely to find excuses for giving a better 10th gen and cash the success they developed of 8th Gen to sell 9th as people would trust them.
The 9th is not a bad car but 8th gen was truely a car that was "Reborn"
Hope this long story (my opinions and some may duffer) isn't boring

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[Bad_Cheetah]

Sir i dont have anything like this on any of my rims. How much do you think they will cost?

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These weights are usually on the inner side of the rim.
But if i am not wrong, these days there are automatic balancing machines which specify whether to put the weight on the outside or inside of the rim.

You can get these for free from any tyre shop.
I hope you're not planning to buy one and put on the rim because you need a special tool to fix these.

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[Bad_Cheetah]

guys.... very nice thread. read the first few pages. will return soon. I am myself considering to get a 9th gen as 2 of my friends here already bought one and are satisfied. the drive is nice. feels very calm and soft. fuel economy is excellent.

however, just recently i drove a 2008 8th gen civic with 111000 kms on it and not so well maintained one. it was noticeably faster then the 2 9th gens that us friends drive. is it really faster then a 9th gen? not that i am into racing or anything but just curious. both have same engine, may be they have different gearboxes? i didnt note but may be 8th gen has shorter gear ratios hence better acceleration but bad fuel economy and 9th gen is the opposite? whats the catch here?

The engine of 9th Gen is a tad bit different from 8th Gen

The new R18z1 is inclined more towards economy.

Not sure about the gearbox, but if my memory serves me right i think the gear box is the same with similar gear ratios in both the cars.

Anyone please correct me if i am wrong.

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[COOLTAHIR]

Is honda offering andriod nav like in grande ?
And which car should one go grande or civic ?

[ali.archilounge]

Is honda offering andriod nav like in grande ?
And which car should one go grande or civic ?

New Honda navigation is an awesome system but it's slow at the moment and has software issues.
Grande OR Civic: That's a very offensive and never ending Honda VS Toyota war. A toyota fan will tell you honda fans are lying and this time Corolla is better than Civic.
Back till 2004 i was a hardcore Corolla fan and used to hate Honda thinking it's Nazuk. But once i kept a Honda it feels annoying and painful now when I'm driving a bone aching Corolla.
What i know is: i can make you meet many Honda users, who with ignorance for its better shape bought a Grande purely out of fashion listening to Toyota fans. This thursday i had to go with one friend to get changed Euro tyres for his new Civic which got delivered from showroom and exactly next day on friday my other friend also got his 9th Gen and we went to get tyres changed BECAUSE just like others who bought it out of fashion. My friends bought Grande when it was launched, few months later were so annoyed by its hard seats, blank interior, non sophisticated design, back aching and shoulder aching driving positions that had to bear a loss to the pocket of about Rs.3 lakhs to switch to Honda again (one bought with 1.5 lakh premium)
If you want to enjoy a comfortable pleasure drive get a Honda. If you want something to be driven by your illiterate driver then get a Toyota. Our lot of friends driving both may also tell you Corolla is better but then either they don't know how to feel a car or deep down they are Toyota fans. Also then why a Grande? Xli for 16-lakh too has the same shape and comfort, why spend another 1.5 times extra 8-lakh for the same car?
Sorry guys if Civic is a horrible car compared to Grande, but i prefer it and can never possibly get a Corolla so please don't feel offended by my choice which i own. You can go for what you like.

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[COOLTAHIR]

That's a very offensive and never ending Honda VS Toyota war. A toyota fan will tell you honda fans are lying and this time Corolla is better than Civic.
Back till 2004 i was a hardcore Corolla fan and used to hate Honda thinking it's Nazuk. But once i kept a Honda it feels annoying and painful now when I'm driving a bone aching Corolla.
What i know is: i can make you meet many Honda users, who with ignorance for its better shape bought a Grande purely out of fashion listening to Toyota fans. This thursday i had to go with one friend to get changed Euro tyres for his new Civic which got delivered from showroom and exactly next day on friday my other friend also got his 9th Gen and we went to get tyres changed BECAUSE just like others who bought it out of fashion. My friends bought Grande when it was launched, few months later were so annoyed by its hard seats, blank interior, non sophisticated design, back aching and shoulder aching driving positions that had to bear a loss to the pocket of about Rs.3 lakhs to switch to Honda again (one bought with 1.5 lakh premium)
If you want to enjoy a comfortable pleasure drive get a Honda. If you want something to be driven by your illiterate driver then get a Toyota. Our lot of friends driving both may also tell you Corolla is better but then either they don't know how to feel a car or deep down they are Toyota fans.

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You are absolutely right bro
Even xli have same shape as grande
You can install many goodies of grande in xli even.
Btw is honda offering android navigation like in Grande?

[ali.archilounge]

You are absolutely right bro
Even xli have same shape as grande
You can install many goodies of grande in xli even.
Btw is honda offering android navigation like in Grande?

Very true, why spend that extra amount on Grande.
About the system, It's an igo3 what Honda is now giving and probably it's android. I may be corrected if I'm wrong.

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[ahmadbila]

I have a 2009 8th Gen driven 120000 but very well Honda Maintained and still drives like a 2012 8th Gen, and i also have a 2013 9th Gen driven 25000. Both Prosmatec which i drive alternately on different days and mood. Therefore i am going to provide you my comparison.
Acceleration: at first the 9th Gen did feel it's slow but first few thousand Kilometres it was fine. To be honest they both are equally fast and not that different.
Grip & Stability: 9th Gen is no where near 8th Gen. The 8th Gen is by miles a better car in this area. The stability of 8th at 200-km/hr is equal to 9th at 150-km/hr. 9th scares you
Brakes: the movement and response of brake paddle in 9 is abrupt and hard while 8 is slightly soft. But the Grip factor makes overall braking experience better in 8th and 9th doesn't feel good due to grip.
Comfort: 9th is better than 8th around this area. It feels softer on potholes while the 8th was hard
The softness and added clearance in 9th has given it comfort but compromised grip & stability. Obviously for that it would have been hard and low which the 8th Gen. Gets very expensive for a car maker to provide a suspension which does both jobs good. But since its a Civic so they had to give either of the two.
Interior: The 9th feels much better, a bit more charming and further more futuristic.
Fuel Economy: Yes 8th is a guzzler and 9th is much better with fuel economy.
The 8th Gen had a hydraulic Power steering but 9th has Electronic. So 8th feels more responsive as it acts natural all the time but 9th steering feels a bit less accurate.
This change in steering is also a major reason for fuel economy aling with some engine tweaks. The hydraulic steering has a direct load on engine so consumes a few percentage of fuel with that load.
At the end of the day it's actually hard to decide which is better. Both have positive and negative points. But the 8th gen feels better overall in terms of drive. I have more inclination towards it specially when i have to travel on the motorway, its a bit more precise to control. I prefer taking 8th Gen on my trips.
The fulcrum accelerator pedal of 8th rising from the floor is much comfortable for foot as compared to low budget hanging pedal of 9th. Looks like in certain areas they degraded 9th Gen purposely to find excuses for giving a better 10th gen and cash the success they developed of 8th Gen to sell 9th as people would trust them.
The 9th is not a bad car but 8th gen was truely a car that was "Reborn"
Hope this long story (my opinions and some may duffer) isn't boring

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that is a very nice review and really helped me evaluate the two. I have also found most of the above true in my little bit of driving of the two gens. I was on a mountain range yesterday (Jebel al Jais) on a 9th gen, it was nice but lacked the feel. It would struggle a little bit while climbing and the steering wheel left disconnected to the road. Havent driven 8th gen that much but i have this gut feeling that it would be much more fun to drive. i really have to narrow down to one of these cars for myself and i am now more inclined towards the 8th gen. For me, hydrolic power steering is a gud thing and fuel economy does not matter as fuel is cheap here.

The price difference in the two is also negligible. 2012 base model 9th gen can be bought for around 45,000 AED and 8th gen 2011 in excellent condition for 40,000 AED for Honda Certified used cars. So i might pick one up in some time...

[ahmadbila]

My 8th gen is also faster than my friend's 9th gen. mine is 80k driven and his is 40k. but i really like 9th gen's interior.

Nice ride sir. is it an LXI or EXI? any plans to sell it anytime soon?

[mubeenshahid]

which thing make you disappointed?
if you brief in detail

Grip, stability ,steering feedback and brakes.

[ahmadbila]

Some more pix of the rides. Went to buy rims for it. there was only a tiny variety for fifteen inch rims no one cars to beautify their civics corolla citys here. only the big 3 Germans etc are loved. Look at those Mansory and Audi R8 rims!

[ahmadbila]

Do we have an 8th gen fan club on pw? i guess it would be appropriate to ask this question there but i really want to know the common faults of 8th gen and what to look out for when inspecting a used one!

[ali.archilounge]

Do we have an 8th gen fan club on pw? i guess it would be appropriate to ask this question there but i really want to know the common faults of 8th gen and what to look out for when inspecting a used one!

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/wheels-fan-clubs/156052-8th-generation-civic-fan-owner-club

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[bilal.toru]

Very true, why spend that extra amount on Grande.
About the system, It's an igo3 what Honda is now giving and probably it's android. I may be corrected if I'm wrong.

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if you don't know the difference between an xli and a grande then either you don't know cars or have not sat in both. Despite them having the same shape, grande is a heavier and more comfortable car than xli. grande is a far far superior car to xli. that is why they pay the extra amount.

[ali.archilounge]

if you don't know the difference between an xli and a grande then either you don't know cars or have not sat in both. Despite them having the same shape, grande is a heavier and more comfortable car than xli. grande is a far far superior car to xli. that is why they pay the extra amount.

Yes bro, ure right. I have driven both so I guess I don't know anything about cars.
Like i said earlier Civic is a horrible car as compared to Corolla but i own my choice and still prefer it. There will never be an end to Corolla VS Civic war. Millions of logics can be put from either side. So peace
PS: the XLi-Altis/Grande difference comment was a figure of speech by the way.

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[NOKIA7710]

that is a very nice review and really helped me evaluate the two. I have also found most of the above true in my little bit of driving of the two gens. I was on a mountain range yesterday (Jebel al Jais) on a 9th gen, it was nice but lacked the feel. It would struggle a little bit while climbing and the steering wheel left disconnected to the road. Havent driven 8th gen that much but i have this gut feeling that it would be much more fun to drive. i really have to narrow down to one of these cars for myself and i am now more inclined towards the 8th gen. For me, hydrolic power steering is a gud thing and fuel economy does not matter as fuel is cheap here.

The price difference in the two is also negligible. 2012 base model 9th gen can be bought for around 45,000 AED and 8th gen 2011 in excellent condition for 40,000 AED for Honda Certified used cars. So i might pick one up in some time...

why dont you go for an 8th gen accord which you can get in almost same price range and that will be much better and bigger car...?

[bilal.toru]

Yes bro, ure right. I have driven both so I guess I don't know anything about cars.
Like i said earlier Civic is a horrible car as compared to Corolla but i own my choice and still prefer it. There will never be an end to Corolla VS Civic war. Millions of logics can be put from either side. So peace
PS: the XLi-Altis/Grande difference comment was a figure of speech by the way.

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oh no, it's not a civic vs corolla thing. i myself have a civic and prefer it, despite not having driven the grande much. however, one should be very objective. the civic vs corolla is truly a never ending war and it ultimately comes to personal preferences. so my comment was only limited to the "figure of speech". there was never any war so there is peace.

[ali.archilounge]

oh no, it's not a civic vs corolla thing. i myself have a civic and prefer it, despite not having driven the grande much. however, one should be very objective. the civic vs corolla is truly a never ending war and it ultimately comes to personal preferences. so my comment was only limited to the "figure of speech". there was never any war so there is peace.

Oh. Well in that case, here's some more peace my friend
Now since there has been a seize fire: the differences are not actually differences, they are more like added goodies and minor additions. At the end of the day both are a Corolla not just underneath but also on the face of it. Providing a different Engine, adding accessories and all still keeps it a Corolla and doesn't make it a Camry
Hope now you got what me and Tahir meant about no difference.

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[ali.archilounge]

why dont you go for an 8th gen accord which you can get in almost same price range and that will be much better and bigger car...?

Agreed and supported, since the market prices and price ranges of AE are on a different planet as compared to Pakistan, not just a difference of Accord-Civic but a difference of brand is also possible due to a massive range of options, specially in used variety. Why not a Ford Fusion? Nissan Maxima? Chevrolet Cruze? Mazda 6? Hyundai Elantra? Even a Hyundai Sonata? Volkswagen Jetta? Actually a much more number of options than that.
But i guess our friend probably likes Honda.

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[saadkhangul]

Nice ride sir. is it an LXI or EXI? any plans to sell it anytime soon?

Thanks, Just bought 2 weeks ago. No plan to sell it in 2-3 years. Its an lxi. i have planned a lot of things for it. Believe it or not i never actually drove the car before buying it. i was sitting with the guy who owned it and he was driving. Just judged it sitting on the passenger seat. I knew the things to look out for before buying 8th gen. Those issues were not there in the car. It is Al-futtaim maintained and 80k driven only. You know how hard it is to find a car below 100k here. plus 25% off on parts and service for me being al-futtaim employee if you want a test drive let me know.