Honda Civic 9th Gen Fan Club (2013)

[ahmadbila]

if you don't know the difference between an xli and a grande then either you don't know cars or have not sat in both. Despite them having the same shape, grande is a heavier and more comfortable car than xli. grande is a far far superior car to xli. that is why they pay the extra amount.

Well sir, i do not know in what context you are comparing the two, neither do i intent to trigger another world war of Honda vs Toyota but i would like to correct you on something here. Xli and Grande both have the same suspension setup, same chassis and 80 percent other things are also same. There is no way that Grande can be "More" comfortable then the xli just because its "heavier". Heavier is never a positive thing in car terms. Heavier translates into a slower performance and bad braking/handling. The only way you can enhance the comfort of two different varients of the same car is by giving the upper model (Grande) better seats. By better i mean totally redesigned for added comfort. even that would be a small help.

So, kindly strike down the belief that Grande is more "comfortable" just because its heavier. Its only about 70 Kgs heavy i guess? may be even less. that comes out to just Five percent more weight so which would only reduce the driving pleasure unless provisions are made to counter this added weight (which is not the case).

As for so much price difference, its majorly because of how taxation works. Tax on larger engines is much higher. hence the more price. I would say about 60% of the price difference is because of tax and the rest of 40% is due to added features like powered this n that. You can argue that these added features increase the comfort of the car but i personally believe they do not add to the 'comfort'. they do enhance your driving experience though.

[ahmadbila]

why dont you go for an 8th gen accord which you can get in almost same price range and that will be much better and bigger car...?

Well, i have been considering it but due to a few reasons, i dropped the idea.
Firstly, an accord in the price of a civic will be older and a bit further down its life. Secondly, its a 2.4l engine which will consume more fuel. Granted, fuel is cheap here but i intend to drive a LOT. so it WILL make some difference. Next up, maintainence of the accord will be higher and more expensive, offcourse.

Bear in mind that i am just settling down here now as i am new to uae. its been less then a year and this will be my first ever own car. So why make haste and go for the big guys? i can upgrade anytime i want!

[ahmadbila]

Agreed and supported, since the market prices and price ranges of AE are on a different planet as compared to Pakistan, not just a difference of Accord-Civic but a difference of brand is also possible due to a massive range of options, specially in used variety. Why not a Ford Fusion? Nissan Maxima? Chevrolet Cruze? Mazda 6? Hyundai Elantra? Even a Hyundai Sonata? Volkswagen Jetta? Actually a much more number of options than that.
But i guess our friend probably likes Honda.

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Guilty as charged!!
I have been accused of being a narrow minded typical Pakistani for considering a Honda even in UAE But i have good reasons to do so. i HAVE actually considered all the cars i can and here is why i narrowed it down to a Honda.

First off, i am a Honda fan since like, forever! I know them well, i understand the design language and can trouble shoot them well and can even perform some DIYs if i have to (and enjoy doing so a lot)
Now coming to the alternatives, American cars have horrible reliability. That rules out Ford and Chevy. Then comes the Korean brands KIA and Hyundai. Believe me those cars are a piece of sheeet!! They look good, stylish. but they drive horribly. theres a reason why the cars are so cheap. Loaded with features, yes, but soul less machines made with pathetic build quality.

Next up, Mazda 6, Nissan Maxima or Altima, lovely cars!! But all of them are mid sized sedans, something that i don't need at all. Maxima specially, is BMW 5 series category and is 3500cc v6 !!! i can do fine with half that much displacement Perhaps Maxima will be in my future endevours.

Now, volkswagen Jetta. nice ride. good quality. German built. Fits in budget. but looks too dull Looks like a 50 year old's car...

So, what options am i really left with? at this point i should pmention that i do not hold enough warmth for corollas in my heart to even consider them

[ahmadbila]

Thanks, Just bought 2 weeks ago. No plan to sell it in 2-3 years. Its an lxi. i have planned a lot of things for it. Believe it or not i never actually drove the car before buying it. i was sitting with the guy who owned it and he was driving. Just judged it sitting on the passenger seat. I knew the things to look out for before buying 8th gen. Those issues were not there in the car. It is Al-futtaim maintained and 80k driven only. You know how hard it is to find a car below 100k here. plus 25% off on parts and service for me being al-futtaim employee if you want a test drive let me know.

wow you are an Al futtaim employee? we just become best friends lol... we should meet sometime. finding an 80k driven civic 8th gen is too hard in UAE. any car for that matter. i ve seen 2008-9 model cars with 300k mileage itnaa chota sa mulk hy, pata nai kahan chalatay hain log garian!! what year is your car? 2010? do post more pix. I intend to get a certified used car from Al futtaim automall or Honda certified, i hope a fully loaded one pops up whenever i m in the market

[NOKIA7710]

Well, i have been considering it but due to a few reasons, i dropped the idea.
Firstly, an accord in the price of a civic will be older and a bit further down its life. Secondly, its a 2.4l engine which will consume more fuel. Granted, fuel is cheap here but i intend to drive a LOT. so it WILL make some difference. Next up, maintainence of the accord will be higher and more expensive, offcourse.

Bear in mind that i am just settling down here now as i am new to uae. its been less then a year and this will be my first ever own car. So why make haste and go for the big guys? i can upgrade anytime i want!

Ok best of Luck Bro. Civic is a nice start and may Allah grant you more in future.

[autophile]

Well sir, i do not know in what context you are comparing the two, neither do i intent to trigger another world war of Honda vs Toyota but i would like to correct you on something here. Xli and Grande both have the same suspension setup, same chassis and 80 percent other things are also same. There is no way that Grande can be "More" comfortable then the xli just because its "heavier". Heavier is never a positive thing in car terms. Heavier translates into a slower performance and bad braking/handling. The only way you can enhance the comfort of two different varients of the same car is by giving the upper model (Grande) better seats. By better i mean totally redesigned for added comfort. even that would be a small help.

So, kindly strike down the belief that Grande is more "comfortable" just because its heavier. Its only about 70 Kgs heavy i guess? may be even less. that comes out to just Five percent more weight so which would only reduce the driving pleasure unless provisions are made to counter this added weight (which is not the case).

As for so much price difference, its majorly because of how taxation works. Tax on larger engines is much higher. hence the more price. I would say about 60% of the price difference is because of tax and the rest of 40% is due to added features like powered this n that. You can argue that these added features increase the comfort of the car but i personally believe they do not add to the 'comfort'. they do enhance your driving experience though.

I have not compared the current gen. But there was hell of a difference when it comes to comfort between SE Saloon and Xli/Gil .

[ahmadbila]

I have not compared the current gen. But there was hell of a difference when it comes to comfort between SE Saloon and Xli/Gil .

Sir, with both cars having the same suspension setup, there is no way they can feel any different on road. both will react exactly the same on bumps etc. Logic dictates this, not me. May the difference was due to tire sizes that u felt se saloon are more comfy.

[autophile]

Sir, with both cars having the same suspension setup, there is no way they can feel any different on road. both will react exactly the same on bumps etc. Logic dictates this, not me. May the difference was due to tire sizes that u felt se saloon are more comfy.

Better seats, fabric, and side panels, better air conditioning, less noises in up model thus more comfy

[ahmadbila]

Better seats, fabric, and side panels, better air conditioning, less noises in up model thus more comfy

better seats, okay. fabric or side panels wont add to comfort. Air con in even XLI is great. i am actually talking about suspension point of view...

[ali.archilounge]

better seats, okay. fabric or side panels wont add to comfort. Air con in even XLI is great. i am actually talking about suspension point of view...

Not to mention its 2015 and a PKR 2.4 Million Grande has a torsion beam. In a layman's language: both are connected via steel girder. Imagine walking with both your shoes tied together.

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[ahmadbila]

Not to mention its 2015 and a PKR 2.4 Million Grande has a torsion beam. In a layman's language: both are connected via steel girder. Imagine walking with both your shoes tied together.

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exactly! even the indus corolla had independent suspension! civic has it since 1994!!

[ali.archilounge]

exactly! even the indus corolla had independent suspension! civic has it since 1994!!

Yeah i remember the rear suspension, 2 hollow round pipes with a gap between them connected to the chassis on my 1994 Corolla GL. But Indus 93-2001 was probably the last acceptable Corolla before it's death.

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[ahmadbila]

Yeah i remember the rear suspension, 2 hollow round pipes with a gap between them connected to the chassis on my 1994 Corolla GL. But Indus 93-2001 was probably the last acceptable Corolla before it's death.

yup... indus corolla was the best one in the past many generations of corolla. It was the last one to ride completely stable on road at high speeds...

[mubeenshahid]

yup... indus corolla was the best one in the past many generations of corolla. It was the last one to ride completely stable on road at high speeds...

New model of Corolla is more stable than civic and that too indus version which has high ride height compared to international.Try that

[usman_arooq2]

Sir, with both cars having the same suspension setup, there is no way they can feel any different on road. both will react exactly the same on bumps etc. Logic dictates this, not me. May the difference was due to tire sizes that u felt se saloon are more comfy.

the body and suspension of that corolla was designed to accommodate a heavy engine (a 1.5 at least) thats why se saloons, altis' and 2.0d saloons are bit better in stability and comfort. and for the weight doesn't make difference part should check braking on an xli and a simple 2.0d(both without abs). yeah the difference isn't much but it is at the right place(over front tyres) which means increased traction(to understand what i mean try driving a vigo at high speeds then put some weight on the deck and see how driving dynamics change.

[sk_020]

New model of Corolla is more stable than civic and that too indus version which has high ride height compared to international.Try that

Wait wait wait. That's just your imagination sir.
Owning both civic and grande, I can carefully say civic's brakes, stability is much better than this new corolla.
Please have a look at this pic which I posted below. This is silver panel of just 2000km driven grande which is already full of scratches and FADED!
I don't want to start a typical Corolla vs Civic war here. But fact remains same. Civic is a much better car overall.

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[ali.archilounge]

Wait wait wait. That's just your imagination sir.
Owning both civic and grande, I can carefully say civic's brakes, stability is much better than this new corolla.
Please have a look at this pic which I posted below. This is silver panel of just 2000km driven grande which is already full of scratches and FADED!
I don't want to start a typical Corolla vs Civic war here. But fact remains same. Civic is a much better car overall.

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Relax SK bro, it's pointless
They are right Corolla is better & it's about time that we who prefer Civics should admit we don't know anything. Love is blind.
I in all my senses admit and confess that i love Civic despite being worse than Corolla, Corolla is a better car. Even a 2015 XLi is more stable than 2015 Civic. But i still prefer Civic.
Therefore please: Seize fire seize fire seize fire....
Here please have a white flag

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[rajaumer96]

New model of Corolla is more stable than civic and that too indus version which has high ride height compared to international.Try that

You sir deserve a cookie

[hammads3]

Wait wait wait. That's just your imagination sir.
Owning both civic and grande, I can carefully say civic's brakes, stability is much better than this new corolla.
Please have a look at this pic which I posted below. This is silver panel of just 2000km driven grande which is already full of scratches and FADED!
I don't want to start a typical Corolla vs Civic war here. But fact remains same. Civic is a much better car overall.

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Bro it varries from person to person. My grande doesnt have any faded or scratched silver penal.

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[ziyad.ahmad.391]

A WORD Of Advice for Fellow 8th and 9th gen civic owners!..Please do not take your car to honda gateway because they are the WORST dealership in Pakistan..Their instruments are outdated and mechanics seriously illiterate!..Save ur money and go to Honda Fort..It is by far the best dealership in Lahore regarding quality of Work!