Motorcycle Engine Oils

[flluffmaster]

You can try it.but do note that Liqui Moly has separate oils for 2 and 4 stroke engines..if u can find.the 2-stroke one, by all means go for it.

now that might not be easy....pls tell me where to go to get the right oil? appreciate your point.

[devilskreed]

last night I googled and read about the technicalities of difference between bike engine oil and car engine oil. technically there is no difference. 'slippage of wet clutch' is a myth created by the oil companies. you can safely use a recommended grade in your wet clutch bikes also

It is not a myth at all.Do update me if a car in this era uses engine oil for both engine/transmission..None..Cars have independent transmission and engine lubrication.The oil has to do 4 times more work in bike than a car,though car oils can be poured in bikes and they will work but a not recommended as they will shear down sooner than a good motorcycle oil.I have experienced clutch judder while using car oil once or twice in my bike.Local motorcycle oils are not even 4T i am afraid.

[abdulrehmanrauf]

Brother, I talked in general and in a very brief manner. There are cases where people are using diesel engine oil after doing proper research and are happy. Rest is well defined by our other fellow Argus above. Many thanks to him for the detailed response.

sir, you basically are saying that clutch slippage doesn't and cannot occur with a 4T oil.... no sir it happens. 2ndly I have mentioned in my last post that oil grade should b used in accordance with manufacturer's recommendation which is usually on the booklet we get with the bike. Also I request you to do some research also

[vickytulla]

dosto IMHO (which can be wrong too) so far what I have experienced (not read on any forum or article) is that you can use almost any oil as long as it reduces friction it would work, but if you are not using the 'Recommended Oil' by the manufacturer of the Ride your ride will die sooner then what it was made for.
I remember ammarzahid tested Deisal engine Oil in his Gs and he referenced some ones research who tersted Diesal Oils against wet Clutches, that formula might work (even according to that research article it was 'better') but here is a rule of give and take, Just like the difference of tyre which have better Grip(Panther) worn out early and which have long life have a slipery grip(Servis Tyres), so using other oil then recomended 'might' give a good response but under the hood things are wearing out and you or any one who does this research might find it responding good in 'test' cases... but on the Long run your horse will die soon becuase always remeber there was a reason why the company did a 'recommendation' in the first place instead of recomending any other oil.

[rizwan4340]

last night I googled and read about the technicalities of difference between bike engine oil and car engine oil. technically there is no difference. 'slippage of wet clutch' is a myth created by the oil companies. you can safely use a recommended grade in your wet clutch bikes also

My uncle are using same engine oil of suzuki car in his suzuki sd110 from the day 1st . And its about 12 years old bike and sealed engine with oddo meter about 53k and i am using different engine oils but 4t bike oils only. My bike engine is opened 3 times. 2 time over hauled once clutch plates changed. In 5.5 years and oddo 56k. Using yamaha junoon.

[argus]

My uncle are using same engine oil of suzuki car in his suzuki sd110 from the day 1st . And its about 12 years old bike and sealed engine with oddo meter about 53k and i am using different engine oils but 4t bike oils only. My bike engine is opened 3 times. 2 time over hauled once clutch plates changed. In 5.5 years and oddo 56k. Using yamaha junoon.

That tells us, once again, that the older motorbikes were more sturdy in build quality, as well.as.more able to cope with variations in the fuel and oil that was fed to it!

The bikes of.today simply cannot.compete with the old ones.

Plus oil and fuel quality has gone down over the years as has motorcycle quality.

It is more important today to use better lubricants, especially engine oil, than it ever was in the earlier days.

[vickytulla]

Bike Build Qaulity does went down so does the petroleum quality... but for you rizwan I think the major reason why his bike is still rocking where as you ride had bundle of heart bypass is becuase of the riding style.... I can assure that if your uncle give his ride to you.. it will be screwed may be in a week ? or might be even earlier then that ?

reason is I know junoon... itni aram say marny wala motorcycle nahi hai... or ager wo apky hathon itni dafa mar chuka hai tu ustaad "hath hola kero" bike theek ho jaye gee

[rizwan4340]

Bike Build Qaulity does went down so does the petroleum quality... but for you rizwan I think the major reason why his bike is still rocking where as you ride had bundle of heart bypass is becuase of the riding style.... I can assure that if your uncle give his ride to you.. it will be screwed may be in a week ? or might be even earlier then that ?

reason is I know junoon... itni aram say marny wala motorcycle nahi hai... or ager wo apky hathon itni dafa mar chuka hai tu ustaad "hath hola kero" bike theek ho jaye gee

My uncle never crossed 60km/h and whenever i get a chance to ride his bike.. ustad 3rd gear and 60 cross:D:D about my style of riding. Yes apna style alag hey. Aap koi si bhi bike dy do result same aye ga

[rizwan4340]

Bike Build Qaulity does went down so does the petroleum quality... but for you rizwan I think the major reason why his bike is still rocking where as you ride had bundle of heart bypass is becuase of the riding style.... I can assure that if your uncle give his ride to you.. it will be screwed may be in a week ? or might be even earlier then that ?

reason is I know junoon... itni aram say marny wala motorcycle nahi hai... or ager wo apky hathon itni dafa mar chuka hai tu ustaad "hath hola kero" bike theek ho jaye gee

My bike was going very well when i was using original yamaha lube oil. After that i switched to shell advance and it was good too but somehow liqui moly and valvoline couldn't prove their performance in my bike. I tried havoline too and it is good too but not as good as shell advance. This time i will use shell advance. As Liqui moly couldn't complete its 1000km. This is the 2nd time i am using liqui moly in junoon. During 1st time bike weight rod broken while running. And after getring it fixed and completing 500km running with havoline. I poured liqui moly again and right now after 800 km bike is giving strange vibrations specially in gear shifting lever. I think oil life is done now. I will change it in 2 days or after 900kmz.

[gull_s_777]

SG is the best standard for our old bikes, as it contains the most amount of suitable additives for these old engines.

I feel ya bro
Ever decreasing ZDDP levels in newer grades are indeed a thing of concern for us using old technology bikes.

ZDDP: An additive considered crucial for protection of flat tappet camshaft engines.

Because too much of this additive in engine oil causes modern catalytic converters to clogged up/fail or something like that. That's why with every new API grade, ZDDP amounts are being reduced and for newer engine designs it's fine but for old engines it's a thing of concern. I know every new grade is backward compatible but that doesn't mean it'll be equally good for old engines.

HDEOs are also popular because of this additive package as they usually contain high amount of ZDDP.

[ammarzahid]

I feel ya bro
Ever decreasing ZDDP levels in newer grades are indeed a thing of concern for us using old technology bikes.

ZDDP: And additive considered crucial for protection of flat tappet camshaft engines.

Because too much of this additive in engine oil causes modern catalytic converters to clogged up/fail or something like that. That's why with every new API grade, ZDDP amounts are being reduced and for newer engine designs it's fine but for old engines it's a thing of concern. I know every new grade is backward compatible but that doesn't mean it'll be equally good for old engines.

HDEOs are also popular because of this additive package as they usually contain high amount of ZDDP.

Thats y i used delo gold

[gull_s_777]

Thats y i used delo gold

what you using now???

And what are the price updates on these new Zic oils? anybody?

Zic 4T SJ was for around 450/litre.
Total 4T SG is 380/litre?

[amjad635]

[ArshadXaidi]

Price update of ZIC Products please?

[ammarzahid]

what you using now???

And what are the price updates on these new Zic oils? anybody?

Zic 4T SJ was for around 450/litre.
Total 4T SG is 380/litre?

Currently using SGO as my fresh oil had to be drained after oil nut leaked. I still have 3L of that left, its cepsa 10-40 semi synthetic

[gull_s_777]

Currently using SGO as my fresh oil had to be drained after oil nut leaked. I still have 3L of that left, its cepsa 10-40 semi synthetic

Imported HDEO??
Do share the price

I guess i'll just stop chasing the grades and stick to the tried and tested. SJ was close, but SL is going a bit too modern for our bikes.

So it'll be
SGO SG 10W-40 for Winter
and Total SG 20W-40 for rest of the year.

[ammarzahid]

Imported HDEO??
Do share the price

I guess i'll just stop chasing the grades and stick to the tried and tested. SJ was close, but SL is going a bit too modern for our bikes.

So it'll be
SGO SG 10W-40 for Winter
and Total SG 20W-40 for rest of the year.

agreed, i think 20-40 is the best grade for our climate (20w50 for older bikes). yes its imported and i got it from liquimoly dealership in islamabad. price was 2800 for 4L. it is regular oil not HDEO

[altisdualvvti]

Guys I m using liquimoly forumula super 20-50 in my Ravi 70 and the results r damm awesome using it when my bike clocked 1300km from the second oli change and I drain it after 1500-2000km pick of the bike is much better than caltax havoline fuel economy is 40-70 depending on driving style but now a days I m facing a problem that is bike takes around 2 minutes to warm up the engine as now a days the weather of Islamabad is v.cold but the bike never took this much time to warm up so why is so and current mileage of the bike is 8500km and its driven 1510km after the oli change.
Plz help guys

[argus]

Guys I m using liquimoly forumula super 20-50 in my Ravi 70 and the results r damm awesome using it when my bike clocked 1300km from the second oli change and I drain it after 1500-2000km pick of the bike is much better than caltax havoline fuel economy is 40-70 depending on driving style but now a days I m facing a problem that is bike takes around 2 minutes to warm up the engine as now a days the weather of Islamabad is v.cold but the bike never took this much time to warm up so why is so and current mileage of the bike is 8500km and its driven 1510km after the oli change.
Plz help guys

Good on you for using LM products. They are indeed superb.

Engine warm-up does not literally mean idling engine till it feels warm to touch.

The idling time before revving or riding a bike or driving away in a car is to ensure that the engine oil circulates to all parts of the engine, including head etc to ensure optimal lubrication and hence protection against direct metal to metal contact.

This is also necessary as the first start in a day, it a cold start as commonly known, is the time when most engine wear and tear occurs.

For further ease of understanding, a 5W oil takes about 8 seconds to run through the whole engine, a 10W oil will take approximately 28 secs , and a 20W oil will take about 56+ secs to lubricate the engine.

From the above reasoning, allow at least a minute of idle b4 driving off on a 20W oil.

[mikegd110s]

salam guyz.
two days beforre i have changed oil in my new bike gd 110s.zic m7 10w 40
vibration incresed???
its in 740 km.1st time i changed oil at 220km than 700 km both time i am using zic 10w 40sj
but this time i am using Sl grade with new packing off zic oil.
any idea?
thanks