Motorcycle Engine Oils

[mikegd110s]

amjad bhai please tell what i do?

[mikegd110s]

Amjad bhai also tell.
is their any need of tuning as bike in 760km total runnig?
AS a free service from suzuki showroom? take an advantage?
kahin tuning ak chakar ma kuch setting out na karden?
guide me as any one know about that thank

[amjad635]

Mike brother proper thread for your query regarding other GD problems or questions
is this below thread i am sharing link most pw gd users visit this thread so they can guide
you best on GD
https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/wheels-fan-clubs/219884-suzuki-gd-110-fan-cub

bro sudden increase in vibration is unexpected if some one switch like thick oil 20w50 to 10w40
he does experience a bit noisy engine which is normal as with thin engine oil engine produce a
bit more noise but this is not to worry about again if you don't like it you can switch to 20w40 oil

For tuning your fear is 100% right but i share my experience i felt decent improvement in performance
after i got my cd70 tuned at 1000km so i recommend you too to get your bikes tuned also but make sure
go to good mechanic but as you own GD you don't have many options its best you go to suzuki mechanic
who knowns about suzuki bikes other mechanics can ruin your bike or will play with it to learn about it
i again recommend ask for help regarding good suzuki mechanic in your city in GD fan club thread or
also in your GD's thread too members from your city may guide to good mechanic in your city

[altisdualvvti]

Good on you for using LM products. They are indeed superb.

Engine warm-up does not literally mean idling engine till it feels warm to touch.

The idling time before revving or riding a bike or driving away in a car is to ensure that the engine oil circulates to all parts of the engine, including head etc to ensure optimal lubrication and hence protection against direct metal to metal contact.

This is also necessary as the first start in a day, it a cold start as commonly known, is the time when most engine wear and tear occurs.

For further ease of understanding, a 5W oil takes about 8 seconds to run through the whole engine, a 10W oil will take approximately 28 secs , and a 20W oil will take about 56+ secs to lubricate the engine.

From the above reasoning, allow at least a minute of idle b4 driving off on a 20W oil.

Bro thank u v.much of your detailed reply yes LM products r simply superb.About my query I know that the engine takes time when u start it first time in the morning.But suppose if I drive 10km or more and that park the bike for 2hours and then start it than it required an another 2 minute for complete warmup of engine why it is doing so even I tune my bike after 1500-2000km when I change the oli. @amjad635 @vicky tulla @gull-777
Bhai tell me what it could be

[gull_s_777]

Bro thank u v.much of your detailed reply yes LM products r simply superb.About my query I know that the engine takes time when u start it first time in the morning.But suppose if I drive 10km or more and that park the bike for 2hours and then start it than it required an another 2 minute for complete warmup of engine why it is doing so even I tune my bike after 1500-2000km when I change the oli. @amjad635 @vicky tulla @gull-777
Bhai tell me what it could be

20W-50 + Cold Weather = longer warm up required
It's totally normal, and LM is kind of thickish than havoline that's why too.

For less warm up time, only solution is to go thinner like 10W-40. But that will make engine a bit louder and in some cases even cause some vibrations in otherwise smooth ride, so be advised.
20W-40 can be a good compromise in between.

[amjad635]

as Gull bhai saying its only because of thick 20w50 engine oil
change oil everything be fine you won't require long warm up time

thick oils in cold weather is not good for engine oil as it puts stress on engine
engine parts struggles to move freely with thick engine oil

[argus]

As to altisdualvvti question, the need to warm up is definitely there on the first start of the day. U can shorten that time to at least half during the rest of the day.

Agreed with above, except need to add to the part about switching to a 20W-40. It is still a 20W so starting and Warm up is the same. at 100'C, it will behave like a 40 weight oil, so yes, will be better than a 50 weight.

[gull_s_777]

Agreed with above, except need to add to the part about switching to a 20W-40. It is still a 20W so starting and Warm up is the same. at 100'C, it will behave like a 40 weight oil, so yes, will be better than a 50 weight.

I also used to think so when i had just theoretical knowledge.
But then i tested like 10 different brands with different viscosities and concluded otherwise.

[argus]

I also used to think so when i had just theoretical knowledge.
But then i tested like 10 different brands with different viscosities and concluded otherwise.

Care to elaborate? So I can add to my 'just theoretical knowledge'?

[tahirahmad13]

salam guyz.
two days beforre i have changed oil in my new bike gd 110s.zic m7 10w 40
vibration incresed???
its in 740 km.1st time i changed oil at 220km than 700 km both time i am using zic 10w 40sj
but this time i am using Sl grade with new packing off zic oil.
any idea?
thanks

Moreover, there are other variables at work in a bike during break in....like loosening of chain, tappets and other parts etc. That's what I have experienced in my PIAGGIO. so I had to avail my free device earlier than 1000(@ 670 km). The mechanic tightened the chain, cleaned plug, cleaned and lubricated the air filter etc. However, he didn't fixed/tightened the tappets. He said he would do that next time.

[gull_s_777]

Care to elaborate? So I can add to my 'just theoretical knowledge'?

I think i just did.
20W-40 is easier to warm up than 20W-50 even though both have cold rating of 20W. Oils used were Zic 4T 20W-40, Kixx 4T 20W-50 and LM 4T 20W-50.

And then there is 10W-40 vs 20W-40. Both have hot rating of 40 so they should behave same at full heat. But try them on long ride on a hot day and with 10W-40 you'll end up with loud engine and the feel that oil has gone watery. But 20W-40 will hold its own much better. Oils used were Total 4T 20W-40, Zic 4T 20W-40, Zic 4T 10W-40, SGO 10W-40.

[moons]

Imported HDEO??
Do share the price

I guess i'll just stop chasing the grades and stick to the tried and tested. SJ was close, but SL is going a bit too modern for our bikes.

So it'll be
SGO SG 10W-40 for Winter
and Total SG 20W-40 for rest of the year.

agreed. but my experience with total is totally satisfactory in winter too, so have said good bye to SGO and all other oils for my GS:)

[altisdualvvti]

20W-50 + Cold Weather = longer warm up required
It's totally normal, and LM is kind of thickish than havoline that's why too.

For less warm up time, only solution is to go thinner like 10W-40. But that will make engine a bit louder and in some cases even cause some vibrations in otherwise smooth ride, so be advised.
20W-40 can be a good compromise in between.

Bhai as far as I know liquid moly doesn't have 20-40W oli for motor bikes

[altisdualvvti]

as Gull bhai saying its only because of thick 20w50 engine oil
change oil everything be fine you won't require long warm up time

thick oils in cold weather is not good for engine oil as it puts stress on engine
engine parts struggles to move freely with thick engine oil

But bahi I read at liquimoly site that the oli I m using formula super 20-50W is all weather oli what do u say about it.

[altisdualvvti]

@argus @gull-777 @amjad635 thanks guys for answering my question as now i know that this is completely normal bahaveiour of my bike in cold weather.

[amjad635]

But bahi I read at liquimoly site that the oli I m using formula super 20-50W is all weather oli what do u say about it.

Liqui moly guys knows better about their products are are definitely much more expert than us
but for pakistani conditions and our practical experience as member's like Gull bhai & me i can say
viscosity grade 20w40 oil is all rounder in pakistani conditions it work very good in summer & winter too
atlas honda also says & recommend to use 20w40 oil as its all rounder in pakistani conditions

[abdulrehmanrauf]

@altisdualvvti, brother, it can be a all weather oil.

But what will you do if the engine does not like it. Fresh engines especially from Suzuki we have GS, GD, Sprinter / Raider do not like thicker oils. It has been observed by many here and all are of the same opinion that these engines do not like thicker grade and 10W-40 grade is more suitable. Yeh aik baat hoi. Now if we talk about hot weather and older engines then 20W-50 is the most recommended here.

But bahi I read at liquimoly site that the oli I m using formula super 20-50W is all weather oli what do u say about it.

[devilskreed]

If you guys have a variable experience for 20w40 grade by changing brands one possibility is that the oils are not true 20w40 grade.This can be true for local brands but i have observed Havoline 20w50(the oil being used in bikes) is thinner as compared to liquimoly 20w50.In short local brands have different viscosities than advertised on paper.True 20w40 is all rounder for Pakistani conditions.I am using local 20w40s during winters and LM 20w50 during summers.

[gull_s_777]

agreed. but my experience with total is totally satisfactory in winter too, so have said good bye to SGO and all other oils for my GS:)

good. saara sayapa hi khatam
what's the price of the new SG 20W-40?

[altisdualvvti]

Liqui moly guys knows better about their products are are definitely much more expert than us
but for pakistani conditions and our practical experience as member's like Gull bhai & me i can say
viscosity grade 20w40 oil is all rounder in pakistani conditions it work very good in summer & winter too
atlas honda also says & recommend to use 20w40 oil as its all rounder in pakistani conditions

O I see but I can't do any thing about my oli as formula super is availible in 20-50W only and I cannot even think of switching to local brands 20-40 oli after using liqui moly.
On a side note: When I brought my bike I changed the oli to havoline 20-40 black bottle one at 350km and when I drained at 1000km the oli was like water but it's not the case with LM even if I drain it after 2000km on it love this thing.