Must read before buying new battery (UPS or Car)

[Ishtiaq778]

[Ishtiaq778]

[wasim625]

It doesn't mention that battery will become weak due to this with the passage of time. It only tells battery setup procedure...

It does say that lead reacts with oxygen in the atmosphere and makes lead monoxide..

By far it seems dates are important while buying battery

[NiGhTShAdE]

It does say that lead reacts with oxygen in the atmosphere and makes lead monoxide..

By far it seems dates are important while buying battery

It is also clearly written that charging it before first use will remove the layer. No matter what you do PbO would form within hours of lead coming in contact with air.
Everyone wants newest stock, even i would want newest one available. But that does not mean unprepared battery would get damaged with passage of time. This fact is neither scientifically supported nor you would find any expiry date on majority of batteries. Rest one should spend on what satisfies him. His money, his choice...

[Ishtiaq778]

Every smoker has a very strong reason in favour of smoking.........

[NiGhTShAdE]

Yes but science, facts and logics prove otherwise....dont they?

[jamalkhanjani]

Dear ishtiaq
Plz help and suggest what I do now,
Battery ugs175 , as I told u before purchased 1month before, gravity down to 1180 in all cells, never deep discharge, ups
homeage 1001, amp set at 15amp, routinely check it from clamp dc meter, cut off charging 14.30, terminals volt 13.67, I went to dealer as u suggest me and discuss the matter wid him he said its no problem if battery working fine, plz tell whats the after affects in long run if I continue with this condition, and can I change the electrolyte at this stage at myself, bcaz battery working uptill now but whats problem can be in future means after 6 months battery warranty.....help plz and also give contact number I will call u to save delay time in reply or sms me at 03005142945, thanx

My setup is same as yours i.e Homage 1001 + UGS 175 poured electrolyte myself using talhawaleed's directions, At first I wasn't happy with Phoenix overall build quality but SO far giving good backup,it seems bro @ishtiaq778 was right Phoenix overall build quality may not be impressive but performance is good, I will check gravity and inform you , by the way my homage is modified for cutoff at 13.7v I don't know if this can make any diffrence ........

[Ishtiaq778]

Dear ishtiaq
Plz help and suggest what I do now,
Battery ugs175 , as I told u before purchased 1month before, gravity down to 1180 in all cells, never deep discharge, ups
homeage 1001, amp set at 15amp, routinely check it from clamp dc meter, cut off charging 14.30, terminals volt 13.67, I went to dealer as u suggest me and discuss the matter wid him he said its no problem if battery working fine, plz tell whats the after affects in long run if I continue with this condition, and can I change the electrolyte at this stage at myself, bcaz battery working uptill now but whats problem can be in future means after 6 months battery warranty.....help plz and also give contact number I will call u to save delay time in reply or sms me at 03005142945, thanx

Dear Sir......Discharge battery Completely till UPS turns off...........Note back up time and recharge time then measure the gravity of battery.......
Low specific gravity gives less back up time and take more time to reach charge cut of point....Do this test first.......Share backup time then ill suggest u what to do.

[Ishtiaq778]

My setup is same as yours i.e Homage 1001 + UGS 175 poured electrolyte myself using talhawaleed's directions, At first I wasn't happy with Phoenix overall build quality but SO far giving good backup,it seems bro @Ishtiaq778 was right Phoenix overlall build quality maybe not impressive but performance is good, I will check gravity and inform you , by the way my homage is modified for cutoff at 13.7v I don't know if this can make any difference ........

Thanx jamalkhan.....for your feedback.......May this battery last longer with you with good back up time.

[princelibra]

Jamil sb.
This 13.7 is not ur cutt off voltage setting it may be ur charged voltage ...check again

[nasirjavaid]

My setup is same as yours i.e Homage 1001 + UGS 175 poured electrolyte myself using talhawaleed's directions, At first I wasn't happy with Phoenix overall build quality but SO far giving good backup,it seems bro @ishtiaq778 was right Phoenix overlall build quality maybe not impressive but performance is good, I will check gravity and inform you , by the way my homage is modified for cutoff at 13.7v I don't know if this can make any diffrence ........

See...,.! phoenix is not bad

[jamalkhanjani]

Thanx jamalkhan.....for your feedback.......May this battery last longer with you with good back up time.

Thanks for your compliments bro, Yesterday we had 6 hour loadshedding for 3 hours we ran 2 fans and for other 3 hours single fan and battery was still showing 11.2V at my cheap chinese Multimeter, Also the electrolyte level remains the same as of the first day ..... Actually the reason why I got swetting at my forehead that this battery when I unboxed was slightly sucked in from one side combined with poor outlooks and missing MagicEye (under that mysterious screw) made me almost cry at my decision .......... I thought if the company has this kind of quality control what can I expect from the material inside?
I handled my AGS very badly due to lack of knowledge I still wonder how good an AGS will perform with good electrolyte /maintenance

Jamil sb.
This 13.7 is not ur cutt off voltage setting it may be ur charged voltage ...check again

No my homage is repaired one and as per homage service center representative they replaced a specific SMD in my homage circuit now its cuttoff voltage is 13.7v previously it was 14.2v, This 13.7v cuttoff gonna help me when my battery start to lose health

See...,.! phoenix is not bad

But the way you refuse to accept my concern was not good , @ishtiaq778 response was really mature in this matter and gave me a ray of hope ,
By the way its just less then 15 days one should expect the similar perfomance from all 135amp batteries irrespective of brand May this phoenix work for me in the long run or else I'm going to create at least two dozen blogs against Phoenix battery

[nasirjavaid]

Thanks for your compliments bro, Yesterday we had 6 hour loadshedding for 3 hours we ran 2 fans and for other 3 hours single fan and battery was still showing 11.2V at my cheap chinese Multimeter, Also the electrolyte level remains the same as of the first day ..... Actually the reason why I got swetting at my forehead that this battery when I unboxed was slightly sucked in from one side combined with poor outlooks and missing MagicEye (under that mysterious screw) made me almost cry at my decision .......... I thought if the company has this kind of quality control what can I expect from the material inside?

No my homage is repaired one and as per homage service center representative they replaced a specific SMD in my homage circuit now its cuttoff voltage is 13.7v previously it was 14.2v, This 13.7v cuttoff gonna help me when my battery start to lose health

But the way you refuse to accept my concern was not good , @Ishtiaq778 response was really mature in this matter and gave me a ray of hope ,
By the way its just less then 15 days one should expect the similar perfomance from all 135amp batteries irrespective of brand May this phoenix work for me in the long run or else I'm going to create at least two dozen blogs against Phoenix battery

Because Ishtiaq is pro, I am not.. I am just a user like you and said what was based on my experience with Phoenix. I also learned from experts like Ishtiaq and Talha.

What I said was that battery quality does not look that bad which you portrayed and I had very good experience with even its XP series while UGS is made specially for UPS so it must be good. What I thought at first that someone gave you fake battery.........

Everyone here comes to get help and and try to help others from what he learned or know. any ways your issue is solved so it doesn't matter.

[jamalkhanjani]

@ishtiaq778 The homage technician said that 13.7v is good for battery in long run but according many posts in your thread its not good actually my battery will remain under charged which has its own consiquences so what do you suggest should I again modify my UPS for 14.2v cuttoff ? seems like a lot of hassle for new battery it should be 14.2v and for old battery 13.7v

[Ishtiaq778]

@Ishtiaq778 The homage technician said that 13.7v is good for battery in long run but according many posts in your thread its not good actually my battery will remain under charged which has its own consiquences so what do you suggest should I again modify my UPS for 14.2v cuttoff ? seems like a lot of hassle for new battery it should be 14.2v and for old battery 13.7v

An untrained barber, who dont know how to cut hair, will advise you to get "TIND" (Which is very easy job for him). Same is doing Homage technician with you............Any how 14.2 is the best cut of point......By which Digital meter you are getting these measurements??? Compare the reading of your digital meter with good meter used by professionals...

[Ishtiaq778]

If you wana magic eye in your UGS 175........then go to any battery wala, take out the magic eye from a scrape AGS 165 battery and install in your battery

[galant1]

@ishtiaq778 The homage technician said that 13.7v is good for battery in long run but according many posts in your thread its not good actually my battery will remain under charged which has its own consiquences so what do you suggest should I again modify my UPS for 14.2v cuttoff ? seems like a lot of hassle for new battery it should be 14.2v and for old battery 13.7v

Actually 14.2-14.5v are for equalization charge voltage which must be given atleast after 10 deep discharge other wise you fell some less back up.
For my experience Homage 1001 matrix, the cutoff point is 13.7-13.8v not 14.2-14.5v. In my case,ups repaired by homage and some mosfets were changed to new and after this cut off point is 13.7-13.8v. I think replacement of SMD or Mosfets doesn't effect cutoff point.

But cut off point should between 14.2-14.5v for providing equalization charge voltage which is must for every battery for proper running to specs.

[jamalkhanjani]

An untrained barber, who dont know how to cut hair, will advise you to get "TIND" (Which is very easy job for him). Same is doing Homage technician with you............Any how 14.2 is the best cut of point......By which Digital meter you are getting these measurements??? Compare the reading of your digital meter with good meter used by professionals...

I'm using dt-830d Rs.200 DM actually it shows 13.42V at terminals (UPS stops charging at this point) When I spoke to Homage technician he said whenever someone request for charge setting modification we only have two types of SMD's one for 13.7V and other for 14.2V , therefore mine has 13.7v SMD, He refuse to further comment on type,number or exact location of this SMD he said its there professional secrets
I have no other resource in hand to compare its readings I can asume that if they installed some resistance for 13.7v and my meter is showing 13.42V then it must have been somewhere betwean 13.42v to 13.7v

By the way I see you are recomending many people this homage ups but why don't you recomend people desi UPS at least they provide these type of settings which is good for battery isn't it?

dt-830d

If you wana magic eye in your UGS 175........then go to any battery wala, take out the magic eye from a scrape AGS 165 battery and install in your battery

No I don't want MagicEYE I was taking it as quality standard that howcome a company decide to install a magiceye and then change mind

Actually 14.2-14.5v are for equalization charge voltage which must be given atleast after 10 deep discharge other wise you fell some less back up.
For my experience Homage 1001 matrix, the cutoff point is 13.7-13.8v not 14.2-14.5v. In my case,ups repaired by homage and some mosfets were changed to new and after this cut off point is 13.7-13.8v. I think replacement of SMD or Mosfets doesn't effect cutoff point.

But cut off point should between 14.2-14.5v for providing equalization charge voltage which is must for every battery for proper running to specs.

It seems I have to buy a seperate charger for these occasional current topups...........

[Ishtiaq778]

By the way I see you are recomending many people this homage ups but why don't you recomend people desi UPS at least they provide these type of settings which is good for battery isn't it? jamalkhanjani
where did i recommend homage???

[jamalkhanjani]

By the way I see you are recomending many people this homage ups but why don't you recomend people desi UPS at least they provide these type of settings which is good for battery isn't it? jamalkhanjani
where did i recommend homage???

Pardon me if you don't I was just going through your thread and can't recall exactly where read it...
so which UPS do you recomend then?