Naran on Nissan Kix

[Wanderlust]

A waterproof rear view camera

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[Wanderlust]

A cellphone holder. Later I found a lot of space in the dashboard and around the gear lever for basic necessities.

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[Wanderlust]

and a designer keychain

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[ehalin]

I like your narration and have read your previous threads as well and enjoyed thoroughly. From my experience with turbos but essentially from turbo charged diesel engines, as I know turbos do not like temperature shocks. When they are running they are running at very high speed and high temperature so you have to give them some time to cool when stopping i.e., keep the engine running on idle after high load driving like on motorway or hill climbing for two to three minutes to cool down. Similarly do not wash them immediately after stopping the engine like normally its done in car washes. Let the engine cool down at least for 20 ~ 30 minutes after switching off before putting any water on it. Otherwise there are no specific precautions for turbochargers just enjoy your drive. Cheers,

When it was shipped from Japan, I started searching for an online user manual but could not find one except that of Pajero IO. This was helpful to the extent that I got reasonable understanding of what is 4H & 4L and in which situations one has to engage these options. I was clueless of these 4x4 machines.

Before shipment, I had also specifically stressed the need for owner's manual to the importer. I want to know more about the recommended lubricants and how to take care of turbo charger.

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[ehalin]

You are wrong here. Turbo actually increases an engines volumetric efficiency so more power from small cc engine. This affects the top speed as well as the pick up. You are right that in 4x4's they are particularly not very useful since in off roading you need low end torque whereas turbos kick in at higher engine rpms so they are not very useful in most of the off road situations.

Sorry
Turbo just matter in case of initial pickup for fast boost of rpm not for high end speed.
You need to learn more any how leave it and come on threads update seems we are disturbing.
good luck

[aasifjaved]

You are wrong here. Turbo actually increases an engines volumetric efficiency so more power from small cc engine. This affects the top speed as well as the pick up. You are right that in 4x4's they are particularly not very useful since in off roading you need low end torque whereas turbos kick in at higher engine rpms so they are not very useful in most of the off road situations.

Bro listen,
No turbo works all the time like engine,i think you never notice its start works earlier in small gears and late works in top gears at high speed,even it will start work in top gear when you need to suddenly produce pickup and you push a hard foot on accelerator.
in short when you start travel from multan to lahore you will have 660cc power at 80-90km/h speed instead of 800cc which can be temp gained by turbo for some short times.
The topic was regarding top speed and turbo combination.

[chdemon]

Great (Y). would love to see thread going in 5th gear :).

Congrats on nice purchase. let the so called "4x4 persons" speak and dont get offended. They got nothing better to do other than just criticizing.

Also share detail of works done by you on it. and other details, like how , when. i myself want something like that but i dont have budget of 1.2 million for second car.

I am creating this thread for the benefit of my traveler's community looking for "a bit more fun" (no serious offroading) from their cars but cars can't be stretched beyond a certain limit without damaging.

I am thoroughly enjoying my Corolla XLI for the last six years and it has never disappointed me as you can see in my threads. It climbed, it roared on highways, managed worst roads like KKH's Raikot/Thaleichi/Gilgit section in 2012 and last year's horrible stretches between Patan/Chilas. MashAllah it is soundless, just because I do not over expect, though sometimes I stretch it a bit.

What prompted me to go for a SUV?
January this year, I wanted to bag another fort in the Cholistan but that required about 15-20 km offroading in the sand. My friend and I were at the starting point of the track when a local pointed towards a far away tower erected by rangers and was the almost exact location of the fort. I pressed the pedal and the car started accelerating on the track that is beaten by the motorcycles and chingchi tires. It was exciting experience. When we drove back before Maghrib, we realized our mistake.... where is the milestone that we have to follow to reach the starting point of road that we had left. Ohhh, you stray from the track a couple of feets and you are stuck in the stand. There were many tracks as we were in the outskirts of the village. To cut the story short, it was exciting experience mixed with fear of not reaching the road before sunset.

When I returned home, I started looking for a 4x4 that can cruise on highways, can cross Deosai easily, can also pass through Shandur top. Last year in Shandur valley, guys from Gilgit on corolla had advised me not to pursue further as the track will damage the suspension. I set a budget of Rs. 1.2 million to import a reasonable and small SUV as a second vehicle. I did not go for old biggies available locally for two reasons (a) I don't have time for the rule "build break and rebuild" (b) I am not "showbaaz", so driving a little but practical 660cc dinky for "shok" is not at all insulting for me. I am also not like a sucker who believes he is successful while sitting in his dad's car.

So the choice was between 660cc Jimny, Pajero Mini and Nissan Kix (OEM Mitsu) as I was sure Japanese are not that fool to manufacture worst machines. My surfing on Pakwheels indicated that reputation of 660cc SUVs in Pakistan is even worst than call girls. Further scrutiny of specs made me feel that these machines are not that bad; the problem is importers bring in high mileage, accidented or run down vehicles that they repair locally and sell as "35,000km jaynein jeep". Second problem is with the buyers..... they expect the machine to perform as a combo of car/jeep and mileage should be top notch, though a SUV cannot be comparatively fuel efficient like a sedan. With these expectations, mostly they do not bother to research a bit for the recommended lubricants and filters; for instance they use engine oil recommended by word of mouth "peelay ya lal dubbay wala". Then they go to mechanics complaining about the low average, mechanics fix the last nail in the coffin of "jaynein jeep". "We" are not progressing because we do not believe in "Precision and Customer Service".

Finally in April, I was able to get my hands on a 4.5 grade 60,000 km run sratchless (yes scratchless) Nissan Kix from Japan. I will narrate my experience with this machine including a trip to Naran of last weekend. It was the first time, I hit Naran on the first weekend after road was open, though the best time is to wait for 2 to 3 weeks.

[salmanrasheedpsh]

Kindly do share review of the vehicle fuel consumption in urban and highway driving , off road performance etc

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[alimahr]

Few words about Mini Pajero from my side...

Nissan kix (or mini Pajero ) are quite capable 4x4 machines in there own category,

4A30 Turbo 660cc engine produces 64hp ( more power than suzuki pothohar)
mileage 10 kmpl city / 14-15 kmpl highway

4A30 NA 660cc produces aroud 55 hp (equivalent to 1.0 pothohar)

These engines are designed to be run on gasoline , when CNG was installed in these vehicles
these engines couldn't produce required power hence declared " fail " by local mechanics.

Approximate life of turbo is 200k km on these engines if properly taken care of, most the vehicles imported with high mileage and with the installation of CNG , turbos started to fail on these vehicles due to which mechanics gave bad repo to these engines in the past.

4A31 1100 cc pajero junior engine (powerful 80 hp) became popular / wonderful replacement to 660cc engine because it was non turbo and compatible with CNG , down side , it was low RPM engine and transmission / differential ratio of these mini pajeros was by default high keeping in view high RPM operation of 660cc engines.There fore it became necessary to install pajero junior differentials in 1100cc converted vehicles in order to attain better fuel economy,speed and power.
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Auto transmission of these machines also need proper care and scheduled maintenance like any other auto transmission of Toyota or Suzuki.

these little jeeps are surprisingly loaded with (4L )4 Low range gear for low end torque required in demanding situations , which is even not present in toyota rush , RAV4 , terios and in most of fancy costly crossover SUVs...

i traveled on 1996 mini pajero 660 turbo ( having 2 lac kms plus mileage and weak smoke giving engine) to mahodand lake and various other mountain locations but it never disappointed me at any place... if you know in and out of your jeep you can easily drive it and get out of any off road stuck situation. jeep is always different than sedan in terms of mileage, speed and power.

[travelinghell]

Kindly do share review of the vehicle fuel consumption in urban and highway driving , off road performance etc

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i owned them twice they are fuel guzzlers , the mini can sucks fuel same as V8 can consume... because they have to make power with 660cc to move a heavy weight of 4x4 body which are twice or more then the weight of a simple 660cc alto or mira .. the vehicle like mr wanderlust has is pretty fast in acceleration because it's improved 4 gear technology of mini pajero . if has a proper high and low 4x4 gears i.e 4H and 4L .

[alimahr]

At mahodand swat....

[asim.shah]

huh,,,,,!! good going thread,,, don't have much knowledge about jeeps,, hence enjoying and reading top gear thread,,,
hope so it will perform well in desert too...
desert story same like my story,,, unsuccessful attempt to Fort nawankot...

[Wanderlust]

A couple of gagdets I purchased from amazon before the arrival of vehicle:

3.5 inch DVD/USB player. I just need one for rear view camera support. Kix just had an ordinary CD player

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Vehicle arrived as scheduled at the Karachi port. Just a couple of days delay in clearing owing to strike by the customs staff.

Waiting for shipment to Lahore:

[Wanderlust]

Importer did swift job of transferring the vehicle to Lahore, just I think in 3 days. AlhumduLillah no bottleneck between Karachi & Lahore. On the day of arrival, I handed over basic detailing stuff like shampoo, glass cleaner, leather polish and wax. I had advised them not to compound the vehicle but only clay bar for which I think they charged me Rs.2,800.

I have never compounded any of my cars so far. My Corolla is only waxed once a month and it still has shine after 6 years.

Just before delivery in the afternoon next day

[Wanderlust]

The importer's services were up to the mark. But they slipped at one point that was very crucial for me.

After I cleared the balance payment I inquired about the "owners manual" for which I have had reiterated the need since the day my bid in the auction house was successful. I had reminded again when paying for the cost of vehicle in Japan.

Nobody cared but that day he promised to contact his partner in Japan. He was leaving for Umra that day. I requested for at least the copy of the page showing recommended specs of lubricants and the required quantities.

I took delivery and their driver drove to my home as I was driving my other car. As it was dark already, I could also not get the engine number from them.

[Wanderlust]

I like your narration and have read your previous threads as well and enjoyed thoroughly. From my experience with turbos but essentially from turbo charged diesel engines, as I know turbos do not like temperature shocks. When they are running they are running at very high speed and high temperature so you have to give them some time to cool when stopping i.e., keep the engine running on idle after high load driving like on motorway or hill climbing for two to three minutes to cool down. Similarly do not wash them immediately after stopping the engine like normally its done in car washes. Let the engine cool down at least for 20 ~ 30 minutes after switching off before putting any water on it. Otherwise there are no specific precautions for turbochargers just enjoy your drive. Cheers,

Thanks for the helpful tip, I appreciate it.

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[Wanderlust]

Great (Y). would love to see thread going in 5th gear :).

Congrats on nice purchase. let the so called "4x4 persons" speak and dont get offended. They got nothing better to do other than just criticizing.

Also share detail of works done by you on it. and other details, like how , when. i myself want something like that but i dont have budget of 1.2 million for second car.

Thanks. I shall follow the sequence of events for the readers to grasp, so it will take some time for me to put a detailed explanation. Honestly it is the first vehicle I have ever purchased where my confidence level was not 100% about the productivity. I have to take it to Lahore bypass for a short test run. Afterall people have very bad words about 660cc machines.

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[Wanderlust]

Kindly do share review of the vehicle fuel consumption in urban and highway driving , off road performance etc

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Sure Salman, please stay tuned. Regarding offroad performance, so far I could test it for only few minutes based on need basis and during those few minutes, it was awesome experience. Will also share details in due course.

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[Wanderlust]

i owned them twice they are fuel guzzlers , the mini can sucks fuel same as V8 can consume... because they have to make power with 660cc to move a heavy weight of 4x4 body which are twice or more then the weight of a simple 660cc alto or mira .. the vehicle like mr wanderlust has is pretty fast in acceleration because it's improved 4 gear technology of mini pajero . if has a proper high and low 4x4 gears i.e 4H and 4L .

Absolutely Imran. Old models had 3 gears that required very high rpm to attain speed of over 100km/h and consequently fuel guzzlers. Later models have 4 AT gears with OD button that proved to be very helpful on inclines and descends. Yes it is pretty fast on two lane highways that require rapid acceleration for overtaking. I have tested thoroughly from Mansehra to Taxila.

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[Wanderlust]

At mahodand swat....

Wow, I wanted to touch Mahodand lake but a group in Naran returned from Kalam and was claiming the area is unexpectedly hot.

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