Personal experience & comparison of Wagon R VXL 2019 with Alto VXL AGS 2020

[consigliori]

Ha ha ha. Na kar bhai​

[raiks170297]

AOA...everyone
This has honestly been a great an thorough read. I do not wish to hijack the thread but it is my 7th day in complete quarantine and I have nothing better to do with my evenings, so here goes.
Preamble
4 months back I face a similar situation of buying our first car in Islamabad as my family moved over from abroad. I am young and typically hot blooded, I owned a CG 125 at the time only. I love the Suzuki Khyber and proposed the same to my family for purchase. NO one was ready to touch my pocket friendly dream car with a 10 feet pole for fear I would befriend too many mechanics on this journey. Abu graciously doubled the budget from 4 to 8-10 lac and I after thorough research proposed a Corolla 2.0D from the 2001 body shape because it would have been the best hp for buck car. Online searches proved I was properly lower middle class and was looking for a vehicle in much better condition than an pre 2010 car could reasonably provide. Finally we upped the budget again and my family was insistent on Vitz as a 5 year old rental experience on one had gone down pretty well. I was a fan of its open space, reclining rear seats and center mounted speedometer. This time I was ready,,,TO BE CONTINUED

[raiks170297]

Now I had realized I would have to physically check out specific cars as we were running out of time. Vitz 2010 onwards were being considered.After looking at 10 cars in person I realized even 7-10 year old cars wouldn't cut it. We even took out budget to 15 lac but any decent Vitz was in the 17+ range and the newer shape. We considered those and old Aquas but we realized we were approaching 20 and spreading our wings unnecessarily. I was done, a little down for the first time. I had properly thought a good Vitz would have answered our needs, I am big and burly, it would have been spacious, we rarely travel intercity on cars so its being underpowered wouldn't have been a problem too BUT...I thought I wouldn't be able to solve this...

[raiks170297]

I became reasonable and decided either new or certified now. We started comapring a full spec Alto and full spec Wagon R. In one day I test drove both from a Suzuki showroom. The Alto was hell underpowered for Islamabad, the gear was a gimmick even after I understood how to use it but UNDERPOWERED and the I was dead sure the AC would not perform in summers as I would like. But I was happy, I could pick an odd color, the car would be brand new and it was very nicley spacious. Then the Wagon R, very good space again, the manual was nice and smooth, I didn't dig the looks much, the Alto was better in that department but the engine was repsonsive, an automatic would have better for new drivers in the family but I, the primaty driver loved the control of the manual and there isn't a lot of stop start traffic on my routes in Islamabad.The AC would be better, I would rarely see the non power windows on the back anywaysso yeah. The downside was it vibrated in idle that I didn't expect a nee car to do but Suzuki said it was normal. All things considered I had finally found our car after a month's due diligence...Alhamdulillah..

TO BE CONTINUED

[Massive_One]

Wagon R , Alto and Swift standing in line , only if there was a Boss standing next to them my hatchback history since 2013 would have been complete.

hahaha exactly, yehi maine notice kiya tha... teen gariyan, teen kahaniyan ek sath hi khari hain : ) bas ek legendery BOSS ki kami hai

[sayedarsalanali]

The account of your struggle in finding a good used car starting from a Khyber up to late model Vitz and corresponding range from 4 lacs to 17 lacs covers the complete thought process of how one ends up in buying New Suzuki Vehicles (rather it be WagonR, Alto, Cultus or even Swift). As I have been buying and selling cars very frequently (for myself and close friends and family), I made a very tough checklist for checking out used cars. The checklist is so tough that finding a suitable car even takes months and sometimes years . And you can't waste months or even weeks searching a car that you will change in 2 years thus new cars with good resale is the solution.

The person to whom I sold my WagonR also didn't like the new Alto that's why in the same budget he purchased a one year old Wagon R.

[sayedarsalanali]

Fraud Alert

Guys we have been discussing the frauds associated with buying of used cars. Let me share with you a very recent and personal experience.

This car which is listed for sale on Pakwheels belonged to us and I recently sold the car to Car First - Gulistan e Jauhar. The car was driven 82,000 kms+ when we handed over it about a month ago. Now this guy has smartly reversed the meter and claiming it to be 54,000 kms driven.

https://www.pakwheels.com/used-cars/honda-city-2014-for-sale-in-karachi-3971205

Sharing pictures of the car when it was with us.

[sayedarsalanali]

** Fraud Alert ** Honda City 2014 for Sale in Karachi

Beware of scammers and save your hard earned money. This car which is listed for sale on Pakwheels belonged to us and I recently sold the car to Car First - Gulistan e Jauhar. The car was driven 82,000 kms+ when we handed over it about a month ago. Now this guy has smartly reversed the meter and claiming it to be 54,000 kms driven. https://www.pakwheels.com/used-cars/honda-city-2014-for-sale-in-karachi-3971205 Sharing pictures of the car when it was with us. Also the data of the car can be…

[nfssaad]

this ali guy is a known scammer.

[junaidahmad463]

Meter reversing & interior detailing are the tactics of some people & majority of Showroom owner for getting few more bucks.
I came across Honda City IDSI 2008 on a showroom. It was extremely neat. And meter reading was 82000. Asking was 14lac. Final was 1345k.

Actual Info got from back door informatives: Car was at 156000, they did meter reversed. I dont thinkso if there is a method to detect meter reversing. If it exists, possibly our nation has found a method to bypass it also. And neatness was due to 6000 cost complete detailing.

[sayedarsalanali]

The problem is our nation loves to be fooled. Be it buying a car or buying/constructing home the awaam is usually attracted by cheaters.

Being a construction professional I have observed that whenever someone try to explain some critical technical point to the homeowner, maintenance committee for apartments/ societies they are not interested, they are more interested in what the uneducated plumber, mason is recommending.

Similarly the subject vehicle throughout its 82k kms was company maintained from Honda 3S. Never a single oil change was delayed nor car overheated even once. But as the car had to go to Saddar everyday, small dents and scratches were unavoidable + the car was once hit from behind as shown in pics only the roof was original and rest of the car was showered. The same car people were not ready to buy in 1.5m with all the transparency from the first owner, but will pay 1.6 to 1.65m to buy the same car with meter reversed.

[raiks170297]

This is a very true and relateable experience, on point. By the way I am also a civil engineer starting out on the job search.

[danishmmh]

Same here with my Corolla. Although it was 32k driven but since it was 90% single person driven the plastics of the factory seat were still not removed and it was on spotless vision interior wise.
It had a small accident and was repaired at Toyota Eastern. Only outside.

Any ways many showroom people came and said sir ye to touch up hae and what not. But were happy to offer 1950 easy. One even offered 20 but did not give it to him.

He said to his colleague ye to interior se 15k bhi nahee lag rahee.

Any ways my company driver was looking for a car and I sold it to him for 20 telling him complete details.

My point is people always want to buy cars with chamak but do not see the real car.

[sarmadraheem]

My experience.

Bought new 11th gen corolla black color in September 2014. After 2 months some moron deliberately scratched rear fender and door. Got it sprayed because i couldnt stand the look of it.
After a year in 2016 decided to upgrade to grande by selling black GLi At and then at that time i came to know the Pakistani (sorry to patron of the word Pakistan) mentality. People were reluctant to get a 32K km, Toyota Royal maintained car just because i made it look shiny again on the doors and fender.

[raiks170297]

To suspense khtm kia jaye...
Next morning I walked in with a pay order of 900,000 only and drove my love home.

[raiks170297]

So basically when I walked out the showroom a couple of Suzuki Certfied Mehrans lay in the sun. I sat in the driver seat of one for the first time. It was tight, v. cheap looking but then I compared it woth a Wagon R. Other than 200 more CCs and lots more space I didn't find a single thing worth the extra 8 lacs! If you think Wagon R was worth it, lemme know why. Anyways I drove off without test driving. It was a good experience, maybe just because it was my first car.

Suzuki certifed should never be trusted. I paid a premium on a '18 Mehran 19k driven just to be sure it was a good buy but....They have a sheet on all cars that tells you which panel is sprayed or repaired. My car said none, both bumpers are painted and the driver door has been accidented for sure...the paint close to seals is sprayed...nothing major though. Anyways the car had alignment problems so I took it back to Suzuki after a week for balancing and alignment, it costed me 1200 and the problem reappeared in 2 days so really bad service center too. I have now realized the problem is a damaged steel wheel. Other then this dealership BS,I have absolutely loved the car. I have grown used to the tight space but against any 660cc it is pick up happy, the immobilizer is a good feature , only one too. Its does 100 in a breeze and costs me 18km/l + w/ out AC, so thats great. I used to have a 300 + hp car abroad so you can probably imagine how light footed I could possibly drive. The only key to 'success' is v. quick shifts. My avg.drive apeed is 70+ but I am always in 4th under 35km/h so yeah. Kept me warm in winter rains, I've learned to handle its skidding and NO vision rain drives but I am happy I bought the best bang for buck. Btw Suzuki's air filter for a Mehran costs 3k, no jokes. My 5k km maintenance from Shell costs under 3k total! Pak Suzuki also wanted to change my spark plugs at 20k kms but I refused. I have reached 35 k now...my question is when do we really need to change spark plugs?

MORAL: I always thought why people bought this teen dabba, now I know why...it may not be a car enthusiats dream but it sure is a bikers dream.
Thanks for bearing with this HIJACK! Also lemme know what should my first motorway worthy 0 meter Sedan be?

[sayedarsalanali]

turns out civil engineers love to narrate car stories.

[sayedarsalanali]

So basically when I walked out the showroom a couple of Suzuki Certfied Mehrans lay in the sun. I sat in the driver seat of one for the first time. It was tight, v. cheap looking but then I compared it woth a Wagon R. Other than 200 more CCs and lots more space I didn't find a single thing worth the extra 8 lacs! If you think Wagon R was worth it, lemme know why. Anyways I drove off without test driving. It was a good experience, maybe just because it was my first car.

Suzuki certifed should never be trusted. I paid a premium on a '18 Mehran 19k driven just to be sure it was a good buy but....They have a sheet on all cars that tells you which panel is sprayed or repaired. My car said none, both bumpers are painted and the driver door has been accidented for sure...the paint close to seals is sprayed...nothing major though. Anyways the car had alignment problems so I took it back to Suzuki after a week for balancing and alignment, it costed me 1200 and the problem reappeared in 2 days so really bad service center too. I have now realized the problem is a damaged steel wheel. Other then this dealership BS,I have absolutely loved the car. I have grown used to the tight space but against any 660cc it is pick up happy, the immobilizer is a good feature , only one too. Its does 100 in a breeze and costs me 18km/l + w/ out AC, so thats great. I used to have a 300 + hp car abroad so you can probably imagine how light footed I could possibly drive. The only key to 'success' is v. quick shifts. My avg.drive apeed is 70+ but I am always in 4th under 35km/h so yeah. Kept me warm in winter rains, I've learned to handle its skidding and NO vision rain drives but I am happy I bought the best bang for buck. Btw Suzuki's air filter for a Mehran costs 3k, no jokes. My 5k km maintenance from Shell costs under 3k total! Pak Suzuki also wanted to change my spark plugs at 20k kms but I refused. I have reached 35 k now...my question is when do we really need to change spark plugs?

MORAL: I always thought why people bought this teen dabba, now I know why...it may not be a car enthusiats dream but it sure is a bikers dream.
Thanks for bearing with this HIJACK! Also lemme know what should my first motorway worthy 0 meter Sedan be?

I also have an interesting account on purchasing my first Mehran and then 76k + 13k kms of keeping and driving the two brand new Mehrans.

[raiks170297]

Bring it on...we'd love to hear...you may have to change thread title to Suzuki Stories thouhj

[sayedarsalanali]

Don't feel like bringing Mehran here as the story is old and now Mehran doesn't come brand new. The only relevant part I see here is what would have been my selection if Wagon R was available in 2013 when I preferred buying Mehran over Cultus.