Project 2UZ-J40 Concordia Build Thread!

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Janj (Janj) 2011-04-20 17:00:57 +0500 #161

Now you are talking:)

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-04-21 13:03:44 +0500 #162

Thank You Sir! Glad to know that the Project receives your approval and blessings!!!! BTW please start getting ready for Cholistan 2011 in Sept/Oct!!! @Rao needs a navigator

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-04-21 13:07:30 +0500 #163

Dug out some old school Baja FJ40 accessories by Hickey which we need to focus on, namely double shoucks and sway bars. Reluctant on longer shackles (despite wheel travel increase) as we are told that high speed handling would be compromised. Would welcome ideas and suggestions on making the suspension somewhat more plaible for Cholistan terrain!

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-04-23 08:33:37 +0500 #164

Just saw this again! It was quite amazing to see these numbers on the engine block.... I gues it was all meant to be the way it is

machine (machine) 2011-04-23 13:12:21 +0500 #165

@SK - Boss , are these anti sway bars are available for 60 series as well? where could someone get this stuff in pakistan?

or any other way to control unnecessary wander, dip & lurch? (Though it doesn't comes when 4x4 is engaged)

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-04-24 09:47:21 +0500 #166

@machine: I am not very familiar with 60s but I understand there were OEM anti sway bars on some 60 series models: 87 FJ60 rear sway bar . You should be able to find one around...

Alternatively, one could go with stiffer shocks, something like the Rancho 5000s or Monroe Magnums (latter are available in Karachi from Kashmir Autos). However, the stabilizer bar is probably the better solution for a daily driver as ideally it does not stiffen the ride as such while primarily targeting body roll....

For racing/high speed applications one would probably need both solutions, though I do feel that an OEM bar would restrict wheel travel probably by a couple of inches....

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-04-29 04:56:51 +0500 #167

Well I had always thought that a stabiliser bar was an important component on a vehicle since on my CJ7 it had made a subtle but very important difference particularly when it came to high speed handling. Not that my CJ7 Baltoro ever made it past 100km/h in any significant way or is a gocart when it comes to handling but it grips the road much better when the stock front stabilizer bar is on as opposed to when its disconnected. At the same time Farooq Awan fitted a rear stabi on a white v8 CJ7 sometime back which helped control the jeep on 35 inch tires.

Anyways, a bit of reserach over the past few days threw up some interesting facts regarding the stabilizer bars starting from this WRC video (not entirely applicable but not irrelevant either) :

//youtu.be/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xr7ktz1_as

So in short, while the FJ40 does not really have stabiliser bars either front or back, we are looking for the rear stabiliser bars off the 40 series pickup to try and fit it at the back. For the front, my personal view in light of the CJ7 experience is that a stabi is quite desirable though fitting it will be a PIA given no OEM applications and lack of appropriate space requiring moving some of the steering components around. So probably we would end up with double shocks up front and a stabi at the back.... fingers crossed!

Rizvi79 (Rizvi79) 2011-05-01 06:46:39 +0500 #168

SK - I am in process of installing coil springs on my FJ40. The ride of my Fj was bumpy and very hard (My other Potohar rides better). Its a 1976 FJ40, Army Auctioned. I installed leaf springs from a later model (1986). But that didnt help either. So now i got hold of the coil spring setup from a RKR.

Please have a look at the attached pictures and guide me if its going in the right direction As you are looking into it very deeply, guess you'r advice will be helpful.

The shocks at the back didn't fit from the RKR, so we had to go for shocks from a Vigo. Its still in process.

Pics didn't come out great.

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-05-01 18:55:26 +0500 #169

@Rizvi79: Wow indeed! That looks like a nice clean project you have going there. If I am not mistaken thats a full 70series/Bundero/Prado suspension and diffs that you have neatly pasted onto the 40s frame. A pretty good set-up indeed....

To be honest coil spring suspensions are something that I don't really understand very well myself though I am aware that these conversions have been successfully happening out here for the past 7 / 8 years now. Personally I have never been able to hitch a ride on one of them converted rigs, and I only have things I have briefly seen or overheard to go by. There are many others PW 4x4 heads out here who are more experienced and qualified to speak on this.

I do feel that the most important things at this stage is to get the upper frame/coil-spring mounts levelled correctly so as to ensure the rig is perfectly balanced when standing still. It took a while to get this done right on the very early such project : Imran mechanics own green CJ7 Wrangler with same diffs and susp (pics somewhere on IJC and PW forums). He had Mr. Moon, one of the best frame guys around here working on it and getting his ar** kicked around for a few weeks before it all came together right. But then again, that was a long time back and some of the frame guys are much more experienced nowadays.... It seems that your in good hands though!

There are some other finer points here that come to mind but I feel that if you have this one down then the rest is something you can fine tune to a certain extent once you have things rolling. And there are always certain things that you'll have to live with one way or the other in such projects, as even manufacturers don't always get everything perfect all the time when it comes to suspensions... but then again life is a game of choices and compromises, isn't it!

All the best with this one, do keep us posted!

tareen (Tareen) 2011-05-02 01:54:23 +0500 #170

@Rizvi79...indeed a daring and great job going on there.

I would suggest repositioning the following bar. I'm unsure about the vehicles/suspension stretch position as the picture is not complete. Ideally it has to be as horizontal as possible while the vehicle is no its feet under its original weight.

tareen (Tareen) 2011-05-03 05:01:53 +0500 #171

Got a bit confused there SK brother.

Hopefully you might have come across couple of designs and modifications to put in sway bars / anti-roll bars in FJ40s. I suggest the following design with lots of flexibility in dimensions according to the currently available space & tweaking & adjustments as desired.

raohamid (raohamid) 2011-05-03 08:22:35 +0500 #172

Chalo... sadda kee kasur aay? Both Janj and I will sit with you to prevent lift off in certain scenarios. Yes, I'm looking for a free ride.

RKR.

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-05-03 19:31:50 +0500 #173

Your more than welcome sir! Both the Concordias can use some weight at the back! Are you allowed to run with 4 people in the car in Cholistan?

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-05-03 19:45:21 +0500 #174

I was referring to the pick-up style 40 series (not sure if strictly speaking thats the right way of saying it) ... but yes, the FJ45! I keep mixing up the numbers on the bigger models since out here we take a normal FJ40 and cut and extend the frame to whatever length / style we want it to get it upto!

I have read that sway bars are made of some particular steel alloy and am reluctant to take a plunge at making / designing a custon one. I did see some pics of the FJ45 one. Some nice fella somewhere on ih8mud (I think :)) had gotten new ends and put them on the stock bar which he found on his FJ45 .....thanks for sharing nice FJ45 fella

tareen (Tareen) 2011-05-05 03:23:09 +0500 #175

Thats what I was saying! Not to fabricate, but to put different things together in case specifics are not readily available. By the size of it, it seems that a jumper rod from a Mehran might also help? Considering the fact that FJ40s have a very stiff suspension already.

Just a question for my information, will it somehow work if we use a torsion bar (from Pajero or Hilux) in the following layout? Its basically the same thing as the diagram in an earlier post.

Pls bless with your input. And do excuse me if you find my questions annoying.

Thanx

Rizvi79 (Rizvi79) 2011-05-05 07:28:01 +0500 #176

@ Sk & Tareen

Thankyou for your quick response. Seems i posted in the right thread

The diffs/tube are from 80 series.

The front is ready, hoping it will complete soon.

I am sorry SK for spoiling ur thread with my queries, just thought as your digging up info into this topic. It will be of help.

aamir567 (aamir567) 2011-05-05 07:34:36 +0500 #177

@ SK
Kindly upload latest picture
Thanx

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-05-05 20:52:45 +0500 #178

Aye Aye Capi'taan! Will this do for now? More when I get back (H)

@Tareen and @Rizvi79: Its a pleasure to have you guys post up things as both are directly relevant in this project. I will respond in detail later to both your posts as I have a number of things popping and brewing in my head.....

On a more serious and general note, I am humbled and honoured again and again by the interest and responses generated by this project and thread! Thankful to everyone for this because this truly keeps us rolling along with this mad adventure....

SuhaibKiani (SuhaibKiani) 2011-05-11 15:52:36 +0500 #179

qwertypoiu (qwertypoiu) 2011-05-11 16:04:25 +0500 #180

Lols good good