Suzuki Cultus Fan Club (2000-2016)

[mistarshahzaib]

My 2007 cultus was efi and company CNG.
And its engine was also weak...
Me fill my tank every Monday and Thursday and calculate average weekly...kabhi 15.50 b nahy aya... 16 or 16.2 without AC
Petrol I fill was Attock petroleum. Multan raod near Iqbal town Mehran Block

[mistarshahzaib]

AC par agar cultus efi 14 se kam de to its a blender of cultus..you people check is silenser is black or red??

[abid110]

shahzaib bhai aisi cultus Paksuzuki ne tou nahi banai hogi. kyu k pak suzuki ki zero meter cultus bhi max max 10-11 he deti hai. i have countless examples of dufferent models from 2006 till 2014

[mistarshahzaib]

Don't know Abid bhai.
Being related to marketing field. I am doing field job and my car minimum running daily 70 ,kilometers..so me week me 2 dafa full petrol tank par average nikalta hu

[s15]

Depends on driving style and location as well. For Karachi, whatever you say makes sense, but in Islamabad, 14-15 km pet liter easily within city.

Plug gaps need to be 0.7-.8mm. i opened 4 cultus plugs and they were all wrongly set to 0.9mm to 1.1mm. I corrected plug gap and did accurate valve lash adjustment on totally cold engine (with 30-32 blade feeler gauge for precision) and it made huge improvements in performance and economy.

A feeler gauge (30-32 blade, Rs. 300-350 on AliExpress) for tappets and plugs and a plug opener (rs. 200-300) is excellent investment and will start giving ROI within 1 month.

Both these things require great precision, and precision is missing in 99% mechanics.

[abid110]

mechanics say that plugs come pre-gapped so no need to gap them so they put it in without gapping them. i have seen this always. so what exact differences will these plug gap will make on performance for a car which is running on cng almost 99% of time?

also, i have the rod but not the 'goti' to open the plugs. so is it 16mm or 21 mm? i am talking w.r.t my baleno 2004 having same G series engine as cultus have

[RehanBhatti]

Depends on driving style and location as well. For Karachi, whatever you say makes sense, but in Islamabad, 14-15 km pet liter easily within city.

Plug gaps need to be 0.7-.8mm. i opened 4 cultus plugs and they were all wrongly set to 0.9mm to 1.1mm. I corrected plug gap and did accurate valve lash adjustment on totally cold engine (with 30-32 blade feeler gauge for precision) and it made huge improvements in performance and economy.

A feeler gauge (30-32 blade, Rs. 300-350 on AliExpress) for tappets and plugs an

How you set ur valve lash? Inlet and exhaust valves
I do agree wirh u regarding spark plug gap. 0.7-0.8mm is factory recommended gap and it makes a huge difference in acceleration and fuel economy.
But still i am unable to get +10km/l with AC from my cultus​

[saboor73]

(Voting) Does FF CNG Suzuki come with air blockage?

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* Yes, FF CNG car comes with air blockage installed from factory.
* No, it does not have air blockage installed from factory.
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What is recommended for CNG in general?
[poll name=poll2]
* Air blockage is recommended for CNG in all conditions.
* Air blockage is NOT recommended for CNG in all conditions.
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How much air blockage is recommended?
[poll name=poll3 public=true]
* 0%
* 25%
* 50%
* 75%
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Bhai ap election commission pakistan se tou nahi

[ch.talal]

Call me conspiracy theorist or whatever you like but Suzuki intentionally messes ECU settings so same model 1 car may give better average, another 1 mediocre average and another one same model may give worst average. I heard mixed reviews from owners of cultus. Some getting better average, some bad, some mediocre.
Now how I am making this assumption, I once took my car to a famous electronics workshop in Lahore. Electrician removed my cultus ECU and installed an EURO 4 Cultus ECU, car literally started knocking and RPM won't even stablize and car would shutdown every other second. It turned out TPS was faulty but same TPS was still working more or less fine with my own car's ECU. Wiring of Cultus non-Euro and Euro 2/4 is 100% same. So it's the FF ECU settings causing all the average mess and stuff in your car.

[RehanBhatti]

Bro, Euro2 has catalytic converter. May be thats why its ECU settings are bit different.

[ch.talal]

Bro, Euro2 has catalytic converter. May be thats why its ECU settings are bit different.

Yes. It's the settings of ECU. But after changing TPS, not only RPM stabilized but car stopped knocking with same Euro 4 ECU. The old TPS was still working more or less fine with my own car's ECU. And I am pretty sure those people who claim that their Cultus gives them so much good fuel average, if their ECUs (Euro or Non-Euro) are removed and installed in my car, I will also start getting good average because air-to-fuel ratio and when to stop injectors and fire them again is all controlled by this ECU.

[ch.talal]

And one thing more, I am also active in Wagon R Owner's club thread and I have also read mixed reviews from Wagon R owners too. Some says they are getting very good average, other mediocre and some others bad. And those who get bad average says they also drive car with light foot. So Suzuki legacy of intentionally messing ECU settings for better average / mediocre average or bad average (but better power) continues. Car ECUs can be tuned for all kinds of averages in factories with manufacturers' own software. [That's not the typical OBD 2 software used by dealers].

[hassantahir2]

I have also read mixed reviews from Wagon R owners too.

In WagonR those are due to wrong engine oil which suzuki pours in i guess...
My friend own's a WagonR and he was facing same mileage issue after getting first service from Suzuki 3s.
He later came to know that stupid staff there poured in SGO Ultimate 10W-40 in his 1000km driven car.
He was getting max 11kmpl in city with AC. He shifted to Havoline 0W-20 at 5000km on odo and his fuel average jumped from 11 to 14kmpl in city and the change in throttle response of car was huge.....
After that he never went to dealership. He thought it's better to void the warranty than to get the car ruined at the hand's of Stupid 3S..

[RehanBhatti]

Yes. It's the settings of ECU. But after changing TPS, not only RPM stabilized but car stopped knocking with same Euro 4 ECU. The old TPS was still working more or less fine with my own car's ECU. And I am pretty sure those people who claim that their Cultus gives them so much good fuel average, if their ECUs (Euro or Non-Euro) are removed and installed in my car, I will also start getting good average because air-to-fuel ratio and when to stop injectors and fire them again is all controlled by this ECU.

Very strange. There is no quality control​

[brownrose78]

@ch.talal
Yes difference will come of course as Euro-II standards have different readings as compared to Euro-IV

Alhamdolillah, in Karachi my Cultus is giving 15.5-16 Kilometer per Kg(without A/C) easily although Petrol average is very very Bad and nowadays giving 9-10 Km per Litre(Before, it was too poor giving 4.5-5.5 Kilometer per Litre)

My car takes jerk while driving on Petrol(It is all smooth on CNG drive) while my car alignment has also issues like Tyres are worn out, also there are some ball joints & suspension related works in car. I am mentioning because car alignment also plays a role in Fuel consumption

Recently I read in posts at pAkwheels that inappropriate or faulty wiring disturbs signals to ecu which inturn reduces mileage so @abid110 bhai, may be your wiring is reducing mileage

[s15]

For CNG, you have to set plug gap to 0.6mm - 0.7mm (preferred), basically a little less compared to petrol. You will notice better performance, quieter engine as well as better fuel efficiency. CNG needs less gap to burn efficiently.

I experimented all gaps btw.

They come pre-gapped, but at 0.9-1.1mm, which is far away from cultus recommended value within manual, that's why you have to adjust new plugs gap, and also after 10k to 20k km.

21mm worked in my case. You have to put goti separately in plug area first and then attach that rod later. Doing in cold engine is recommended.

Feeler gauge that mechanics use have their readings vanished, so they are only doing it on rough estimate btw.

[s15]

Exactly the same way as you told. I also watched other YouTube videos explaining the same.

There is around 0.05mm - 0.10mm difference if done incorrectly (not at the base circle). I checked that also and tried taking readings at multiple positions for experiment.

Did you overhaul/tweaked the distributor yet?

[RehanBhatti]

Exactly the same way as you told. I also watched other YouTube videos explaining the same.

There is around 0.05mm - 0.10mm difference if done incorrectly (not at the base circle). I checked that also and tried taking readings at multiple positions for experiment.

Did you overhaul/tweaked the distributor yet?

Well done.did u feel any diffefence in performance after adjusting tappets? I am very much interested to tweak the distributor. Your suggestions will be required.please​

[ch.talal]

Well 10w40 is the oil that dealership pours in all Wagon R cars. Changing oil to thinner viscosity will help easy cranking in winter, better average and better engine life. In hot summers like ours (lower punjab and sindh) 10w40 or thinner oil shouldn't impact average

[hassantahir2]

^I was of the same view before the oil change.
But the difference felt after that was huge don't know why because theoretically in this temperature that shouldn't have made any difference..