The "EC1 Scam" Thread

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

Keep the ******** going on. This is showing your's educational and family background's.keep it up

[MominHaq]

User name: accountist, designation: chief engineer

LOLWUT?

[accountist]

User name: accountist, designation: chief engineer

LOLWUT?

I wish I had named it "accountits".

[himmi_Pak]

Show us how who when ?

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

Ok guy's you had too much fun in my absence specially Mr Cheif Engineer(Serial accountist ) and Chinees VCheng .

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

Before posting the Result's I came to know from some source that you guy's want to know how the EC1 & CNG HYBRID SYSTEM work's.
so I am Explaining it briefly
1:it intercept the signal output from the MAP/MAF sensor and then A tuner can tune it by his requirement and the modified signal is then transmitted to the ECU.
2: It also intercept the signal from O2/AFR ratio sensor and a tuner can also tune it for his requirement's and the modified signal is transmitted to the ECU.
in obd vehicle's to get the result's out of the ECU both the sensor's should be tuned well to achieve the result's whether Economy Or Performance.

THIS EC1 device description is for Petrol Engine's only.

[Xulfiqar]

lets give you an example to work on, if I connect this to a mercedes benz E320 - with M112 engine - how would you satisfy the ECU requirements of correct MAF signal, correct MAP signal, correct mixture read to keep the trims at the 5% value? This car also uses the MAP signal to determine shift aggression and engine load and appropriately downshifts or upshifts to keep the car at best acceleration and best fuel economy.

It uses a total of 4 oxygen sensors - 2 pre cat (1 cat per bank) and 2 post cat - then 2 cats are placed to clean up whatever was left. Very similar to a 2GR-FE toyota or Nissan VQ35.

In any case all above engines use MAF and MAP sensors to detect air flow and load. Does your device bring back LTFT of a whacked up engine? Lets say the same mercedes with worn out MAF, worn out O2 sensors running like crap and guzzling fuel. Im very very sure your EC1 unit will have an impossible task to do - that ECU detects acceleration of the flywheel per "ignition event". 1 misfire is all it takes to shut down that specific cylinder and log a fault code.

I see that your system does not handle ignition timing - yet you are all about playing around with sensor inputs. It will NOT adjust timing thinking its ideal ratio while you are trying to make it see rich mixture while you lean it out. In carburettor terms - you are trimming out fuel without recurving the distributor centrifugal advance - we all know what happens if you dont.

Can you please post a screenshot of an ECU readout with this connected.

[Xulfiqar]

to me this looks like a tricked out lovatogas gen1 system that was used in old cars which were running simple single map ecus.

Honestly its looking pretty grim right now.

I was in the assumption that you have made something that completely intercepts the ECU and takes over injector duty, ignition timing, air detection, EGO etc. Im seeing a CNG advancer here.

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

to me this looks like a tricked out lovatogas gen1 system that was used in old cars which were running simple single map ecus.

Honestly its looking pretty grim right now.

I was in the assumption that you have made something that completely intercepts the ECU and takes over injector duty, ignition timing, air detection, EGO etc. Im seeing a CNG advancer here.

You guy's had said that show us some example the above mentioned system is designed with the single equipped MAP/MAF and O2 sensor's like our common Suzuki Toyota up to 2009. Local assemblies Honda upto 2008 , and merces benz 111 engine's for your Car type and requirement I had to build a special design which is capable of reading and modifying the crankshaft position sensor signal's as well Most E-240's and 320's in Pakistan are equipped with MAF and twin o2 sensor's because they are not California specified vehicle's for these kind of vehicle' we had another SE unit of EC1 which is obviously expensive. As per demand I had an upcoming project of Mercedes Benz E-240. 2000 model with engine 112.941 engine on board ALSO THE ABOVE PICTURE WAS FOR REFERENCE ONLY AS YOU PEOPLE WERE MISUNDERSTANDING THE FEATURE'S AND DEVICE AND THERE WORKING PRINCIPAL'S. I am thinking now to had a live conversation for better explanation and ease for you guy's as I cannot express it by writing the whole stuff here. so let me know how and when it should be managed. One thing more please dont suppress the person trying to explain something you dont know how much knowledge and experience he had but can't express it by writing.

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

lets give you an example to work on, if I connect this to a mercedes benz E320 - with M112 engine - how would you satisfy the ECU requirements of correct MAF signal, correct MAP signal, correct mixture read to keep the trims at the 5% value? This car also uses the MAP signal to determine shift aggression and engine load and appropriately downshifts or upshifts to keep the car at best acceleration and best fuel economy.

It uses a total of 4 oxygen sensors - 2 pre cat (1 cat per bank) and 2 post cat - then 2 cats are placed to clean up whatever was left. Very similar to a 2GR-FE toyota or Nissan VQ35.

In any case all above engines use MAF and MAP sensors to detect air flow and load. Does your device bring back LTFT of a whacked up engine? Lets say the same mercedes with worn out MAF, worn out O2 sensors running like crap and guzzling fuel. Im very very sure your EC1 unit will have an impossible task to do - that ECU detects acceleration of the flywheel per "ignition event". 1 misfire is all it takes to shut down that specific cylinder and log a fault code.

I see that your system does not handle ignition timing - yet you are all about playing around with sensor inputs. It will NOT adjust timing thinking its ideal ratio while you are trying to make it see rich mixture while you lean it out. In carburettor terms - you are trimming out fuel without recurving the distributor centrifugal advance - we all know what happens if you dont.

Can you please post a screenshot of an ECU readout with this connected.

You are driving a strictly Emmision controllable vehicle at this time if your vehicle fail's to pass the ETT test then your ride is totaled. for your vehicle I need a time of 2 day's to assemble the EC1 setup which has the option to manipulate the signal's of both MAF and MAP and the upstream O2's (Narrowband). and also a Knock simulator for helping you to drive more leaner without the creation of knock as per my experience with 112 type engine's they are equipped with 12 Spark plug's 2 on each cylinder to prevent possible knock or self detonation. as this type of engine run's leaner then scheometric ratio 15:1. I will post the upcoming project still busy with the vehicle for regular servicing.

[dms664]

You guy's had said that show us some example the above mentioned system is designed with the single equipped MAP/MAF and O2 sensor's like our common Suzuki Toyota up to 2009. Local assemblies Honda upto 2008 , and merces benz 111 engine's for your Car type and requirement I had to build a special design which is capable of reading and modifying the crankshaft position sensor signal's as well Most E-240's and 320's in Pakistan are equipped with MAF and twin o2 sensor's because they are not California specified vehicle's for these kind of vehicle' we had another SE unit of EC1 which is obviously expensive. As per demand I had an upcoming project of Mercedes Benz E-240. 2000 model with engine 112.941 engine on board ALSO THE ABOVE PICTURE WAS FOR REFERENCE ONLY AS YOU PEOPLE WERE MISUNDERSTANDING THE FEATURE'S AND DEVICE AND THERE WORKING PRINCIPAL'S. I am thinking now to had a live conversation for better explanation and ease for you guy's as I cannot express it by writing the whole stuff here. so let me know how and when it should be managed. One thing more please dont suppress the person trying to explain something you dont know how much knowledge and experience he had but can't express it by writing.

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[Xulfiqar]

firstly we are not talking about california ECU cars here - they are only mapped slightly different (a bit richer when cold to ignite the cat earlier and subsequently a bit different ignition timing too as the fuel sold in cali is different than the other 49 states) - their cats also have a lot of "precious metal" to satisfy CARB. - anyway.

After installation of the modified EC1 in the MB - which will tackle the crankshaft sensor acceleration detection too - what torque figures should I see on STAR diagnosis when I interrogate the EGS (electronic gearbox system).

and what about the fuel trim values which you never reply to for any case yet?

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

to me this looks like a tricked out lovatogas gen1 system that was used in old cars which were running simple single map ecus.

Honestly its looking pretty grim right now.

I was in the assumption that you have made something that completely intercepts the ECU and takes over injector duty, ignition timing, air detection, EGO etc. Im seeing a CNG advancer here.

one thing more modifying the total injection duty cycle is not a fair idea in any modification for economy or performance.

[hameeds01]

I had to build a special design which is capable of reading and modifying the crankshaft position sensor signal's

Come on dude ye tu full gup hai, its almost impossible to alter CMP signal, man redesigning an ECU is much simpler task than altering CMP/CKP signals.

Post some picz of ur device

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

firstly we are not talking about california ECU cars here - they are only mapped slightly different (a bit richer when cold to ignite the cat earlier and subsequently a bit different ignition timing too as the fuel sold in cali is different than the other 49 states) - their cats also have a lot of "precious metal" to satisfy CARB. - anyway.

After installation of the modified EC1 in the MB - which will tackle the crankshaft sensor acceleration detection too - what torque figures should I see on STAR diagnosis when I interrogate the EGS (electronic gearbox system).

and what about the fuel trim values which you never reply to for any case yet?

Zulfiqar bhai I am posting a Crankshaft position sensor reding gaph with stock and modified setting please see this will be added in the whole pulse.

[Xulfiqar]

oh really - why do you think manufacturers opt for different flow rates of injectors when they can just buy ONE design of the shelf and just slap it in every engine and simply adjust the injector duty cycle - great - that means I can use a Bosch 800cc injectors in a civic NA and just trim it back 80% from the original Honda value.

Nice idea..

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

Come on dude ye tu full gup hai, its almost impossible to alter CMP signal, man redesigning an ECU is much simpler task than altering CMP/CKP signals.

Post some picz of ur device

Brother Once I was working on the development project of device's which can alter the total pulse of Injector's My personal opinion was it is not poosible because of peak threashhold and constant amperage and find another way's to alter the total injection pulse width but you had designed the chip which alter's the injection pulse.
In the case of redesigning of Mercedes benz ECU you will get crazy when you will hook up and start's to analyze the MB ECU. And the customer's will eat you alive if you will not provide them the product. and how much of the ECU will you redesign so simple I had Designed that thing and I am altering the Crankshaft position Sensor Pulses to advance or Retard the ignition & injection timings.

[Xulfiqar]

Zulfiqar bhai I am posting a Crankshaft position sensor reding gaph with stock and modified setting please see this will be added in the whole pulse.

You are presenting the ECU with an advanced crank signal but what if the engine has a worn out timing chain?

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

oh really - why do you think manufacturers opt for different flow rates of injectors when they can just buy ONE design of the shelf and just slap it in every engine and simply adjust the injector duty cycle - great - that means I can use a Bosch 800cc injectors in a civic NA and just trim it back 80% from the original Honda value.

Nice idea..

The manufacture's are not picking up the same injector size due to the design limitation's and the strict architectural prohibition and market demand in view and yes you can just install the 800 cc size injector's in a honda and can trim the fuel by 80% you are just supposing 80% we had result's of 600% trimming with the support of CNG onboard.

[UltimateEconomyGroup]

You are presenting the ECU with an advanced crank signal but what if the engine has a worn out timing chain?

then you should throw your vehicle by the TEXAS SSD dealer's for crushing lolzzzzzzzzzzzz that is what those people do after the expiry of service insurance.