The EV Thread. Fully Electric Vehicles Exclusive Discussion

[faakhir19]

Expected prices are : EV Standard(Electric) Rs 1895000EVS Solar (Electric + Solar) Rs 1995000EVS Premium(Electric+Solar+Range Extender+A/C) Rs 2125000

Lutto lutto, saanu rajj ke lutto. Hor tuanu aunda v ki ay​

[UAHMAD]

It is true that Sigma Motors has been minting money (in fact a lot of) from the customers of Land Rover in Pakistan. So I was also really worried to hear that they are now going to introduce this new EV and shall similarly rob their EV customers in spares and service in future. But the new article on PW says it's rather Sigma Motorsports, which is a motorcycle dealer.

[nfssaad]

have seen this exact same car in karachi near board office travelling to hyderi several times.

however, there was no sigma brand name on it.

its also a rear wheel drive car

[fazalwahab11375]

[usman19854]

hamari qismat mein yahi tamasha hai

[usman19854]

[fazalwahab11375]

https://www.facebook.com/1538877749750517/posts/2478765062428443/

STIGMA review ^^^

[mgwattoo1]

As a Tesla lover i have been thinking about what would be the cost of Tesla Model 3 in Pakistan now, after the tex/duty reduction? I am talking about a used one 2019 Model 3 from UK.

[usman19854]

https://insideevs.com/news/462822/tesla-enter-india-2021/

Tesla will enter the Indian market next year

[hussain182]

Watch 8:20

According to Suneel Manj taxes on EV CBUs are about 62-70%.

[Xulfiqar]

Its a useless venture to buy a tesla in Pakistan. Its not repairable without tesla consent, even basic things like power windows and suspension require tesla parts and most parts require vin coding

Good luck trying that in Pakistan, as they literally ask you to bring it to a tesla service center (meaning ship it to a country which has one)

If you like to own one as “garage decoration” then go for it.

[Xulfiqar]

This looks like its built on a plagiarized copy of a dewoo matiz.

[nfssaad]

probably.

its running a live rear axel with a front motor. not exactly efficient. too much mechanical losses.

the range extender version literally looks like a chinese generator including its tank fitted under the hood.

[usman19854]

Can we import used electric vehicles on the new duty rate?

[hussain182]

Yes aparently you can. Talked to some importers etc and about EV import and they said its possible to import used EVs and claim depreciation etc also. Many of Teslas currently in pakistan are aparently used ones.

But not sure what policy that would fall under. Because used cars are only allowed under transfer of residence/baggage schemes etc and the newly announced tax rates are for new cars. Maybe the same rates apply to used cars as well.

Also, despite the 25% figure being advertised, the actual figure is more like 70%+ because of other hidden taxes etc.

[an_average_car_user]

After the new policy, how does the cost and maintainability of imported EVs look? Specially about Nissan Leaf. A few first and second generation Leafs were imported and some rarely appear on PW as well. Does anyone know how did they fare over the months and years.

If you look at the owner's manual of Nissan Leaf, the maintenance looks simple. Break oil is the only oil that needs to be changed at regular intervals, and reduction gear oil needs to be checked every 7500 miles. If it turns dark it is simple to replace too. Second, it has 8+ years of warranty but maintaining that requires getting a battery usage report once a year. I am sure that can be done at home too but the one that Nissan will accept will be done at a dealership, and since Nissan is not present in Pakistan, it is not possible.

The concern is the availability of correct break and reduction gear oils, and other parts in general, the generation of battery usage report, and the fact that Nissan Leaf has air cooled battery system that some people over the internet have shown concerns about, specially in warmer climates. Also, how well are the local mechanics equipped to work on EVs. Not sure how much the experience of working on Hybrids translate to EVs.

Another concern in Leaf is that there seems to be inadequate cooling causing battery to degrade faster and system switching to slower charging because Nissan Leaf battery is air-cooled instead of liquid cooling. But big car magazines and websites say that it is a very reliable car in their reviews. Some parts should be available since the EV drive system of the frequently imported Nissan note is based on Nissan Leaf.

For garage furniture and show-off, a seldom-used EV can be kept, even Tesla, but concerns are for a daily driven car and how it will hold up in a few years. Since there is no engine, if the battery is degrading, the actual range and usefulness of the car is going down, instead of reduction of mileage in Hybrids.

The only EVs we seem to be getting in near future with dealerships and services will be Chinese, and their reliability is a big question.

Link to Nissan Leaf service and maintenance guide I am using as a reference to write this.

@Xulfiqar how are EVs doing where you live, specially after 3-5 years, or 50k-100k miles?

[mgalaxy3]

are you sure about 70%?

Would love for someone to do an actual break-up and come up with total taxes..

plus of course feasibility of private import.

[hussain182]

are you sure about 70%?

Its not an exact figure but have heard something similar from importers plus Suneel Munj mentioned 62-70% in his new video.

[usman19854]

There's someone driving around in a new gen Nissan leaf in DHA lahore, I saw it daily before lockdown and I've the same questions for him lol

Sadly the only thing we seem to be getting from ev policy is every weirdo business man hopping onto alibaba and importing an unknown chinese car.

[an_average_car_user]

See if you can chase him down next time and ask bhai car kaisy chal rahi hai?

There are very few on the road. I have not seen one so far. So the first thing to see is if it has the potential of becoming a common car, or at least as common as Nissan Note.