The EV Thread. Fully Electric Vehicles Exclusive Discussion

[ifadey]

EVs can easily do off-roading.

This video shows Hummer EV, Tesla Cybertruck, and Rivian R1T in off-road conditions

Jaecoo J6 can also do the off-roading. Piece of cake.

[darthvader]

maybe because of small size.

That is literally the number 1 reason why it's so popular for off roading.

[mgalaxy3]

Difference in real life and YouTube videos.

Good luck getting jaeccoo out to main city and near electricity grid if the battery depletes in Deosai (range will be reduced by 50% anyway in very cold climate).

[ifadey]

This is a new discussion now. Previously, we were discussing Jimny and Jaecoo's off-roading capability.

You are looking in the context of Pakistan. The above videos are from the USA and China. I am sure there must be charging stations near those areas. Just like you cannot off-road too far from petrol stations if you are driving ICE.

[ifadey]

(range will be reduced by 50% anyway in very cold climate).

This is applicable to ICE cars as well. Range in a single tank of fuel reduces in freezing temperatures.

Edit:
Here's what the Google AI says

"In freezing cold temperatures, fuel consumption can increase significantly, with estimates ranging from 15% to 33% for traditional gasoline cars"

"In freezing cold temperatures, electric vehicle (EV) range can be reduced by 10% to 40%, depending on various factors like the specific vehicle, battery health, and driving conditions. Factors like cabin heating and battery chemistry contribute to this range decrease"

[mgalaxy3]

Alright, if you think EV cars are the way to go for off-roading, I’m going to respect your opinion. Good luck and there will always be a diesel off-roader out there to tow a stuck EV

[ifadey]

You are not understanding what I am trying to say. Off-roading with EVs is not possible in Pakistan. I am not disagreeing on that part. But in countries where you can find chargers in nearby locations, don't you think off-roading is possible?

[pwuser167550015690]

Provided they get a powerful enough motors, EVs are technically better at off-roading than ICE because a pure off-roader EV can have independent motors on each wheel, all connected to the same battery, so you can have electronic diff-locks.

Doing that with a traditional ICE drivetrain and transmission setup is mechanically complicated and more expensive.

In practice, only a few EVs actually go this route (R1T, F-150 Lightning, Hummer EV, Cybertruck etc.) and the Chinese weren't that interested in off-roading until very recently, like BYD with their e4 system.

As for range itself, you're not going to be going Off-road for 100s of KMs. Usually that's just a short distance you need to go off-road so finding a charging point on either end isn't out of the realm of possibility given decent enough EV infrastructure.

[darthvader]

pure off-roader EV can have independent motors on each wheel, all connected to the same battery, so you can have electronic diff-locks.

Seen plenty of reviews of Rivians and Hummer EVs and these 'simulated' diff locks never ever work as well as the real thing. Getting two independent motors to rotate at the exact same speed, at the exact same time never works well. Here's a video of a Hummer EV absolutely crapping out while off roading. It's why the BYD Shark performed terribly as well.

[ifadey]

The Hummer EV he's driving has broken button for front diff lock and height adjustment isn't working as well. It looks like quality issues with GMC. How can you generalize this for EVs?

[mgwattoo2]

Why do i feel like that CSM (Capital Smart Motors) is Javed Afridi 2.0. I know they have introduced 2 vehicles but i believe they have advertised 5, correct me if i am wrong; 2 Zeekr, 1 sedan, Forthing and Riddara.

[j_aquil]

Capital Smart Motors is set to shake Pakistan’s EV SUV market with the Forthing Friday REEV, a 1,150 km range-extended electric SUV. The pre-launch showcase begins August 19 at major malls nationwide.
Powered by a 31.9 kWh battery for up to 600 km of electric drive, the Forthing Friday REEV adds another 550 km via a generator-only petrol engine, delivering long-range confidence without relying on Pakistan’s limited charging network.

Pre-launch pricing has been announced as part of an exclusive offer:

BEV: PKR 8,999,000
REEV: PKR 10,999,000

From 19 August onwards, the REEV and BEV will be showcased at:

Centaurus Mall, Islamabad
Dolmen Mall, Lahore
Dolmen Mall, Karachi
Customers will have the opportunity to pre-book and even test-drive the vehicles at these venues.

The Forthing Friday REEV features a 14.6-inch infotainment display, Level 2 ADAS, wireless smartphone connectivity, a panoramic sunroof, and up to eight airbags.

pakwheels.com/blog/

[AABBDDuullaahh]

Are both reev and bev models to be delivered as CKD or CBU?

[ifadey]

CSM's factory construction has started. So most probably it will be CBU models

[darthvader]

Well if the Hummer EV doesn't do it then have a look at the Rivian. Compared to a Raptor it performs terribly off road as well. He also brings up an important point regarding torque and power distribution. These quad motor EVs have 800bhp, but it's more like 200bhp per wheel only. So if you're stuck and relying on 1 or 2 tyres, you're only getting 1/4 or 1/2 the power. That's not the case with ICE where 100% of the power can go to an individual wheel or axle.

Of course all of this is in theory since EV off roading isn't possible in Pakistan and will never be.

[pwuser153374969897]

600km from a 32 kwh battery? typo or straight up BS advertising?

[mgalaxy3]

Might be another BS cheeni claim

Even going above NEDC maybe

[j_aquil]

I think they got it mixed up between the BEV and Range extender version . The BEV range 600 KM （CLTC）with 85.9(Kwh) Battery capacity

https://www.forthingmotor.com/

[j_aquil]

https://www.facebook.com/people/Capital-Smart-Motors/61574102049787/

[mgalaxy3]

Even then 600km seems exaggerated.
More realistic would be 350km or 400 if you stretch too much with no ac:heating.