Thrupp & Maberly Mercedes 680S Hunting Car 1927

[idaniyalakram0]

Assalam Aleykum,

Do anyone know details about the attached car? It's Thrupp & Maberly Mercedes 680S Hunting Car 1927 of H.H. Jalalat-ul-Mulk A'la Hazrat Nawab Amir Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V of Bahawalpur.

According to Herbert Lozier, in The Car of Kings, it was ordered by His Highness the Nawab of Bhopal. So, how does this ended up in Bahawalpur?

Thank You.

[uzeemujeeb]

in my opinion only a wild guess The State Rulers used to exchange gifts of Likes in actual, in pre 1947 era. If the source says it was of Nawab of Bhopal and it exist in collection of Nawab saheb Bhawalpur post 1947. It means it must have been purchased or gifted.

sir @msabbasi may shed some information in this context. He owns a vintage Jaguar from Nawab saheb Bhawalpur fleet of cars.

[idaniyalakram0]

Thank you for replying to my inquiry about Thrupp & Maberly Mercedes 680S Hunting Car 1927. This would be the case.
Even H.H. Sikander Saulat Iftikhar-ul-Malik Nawab Haji Muhammad Hamidullah Khan of Bhopal had gifted a Bentley to the famous H.H. Rajmata Shri Gayatri Devi of Jaipur on her wedding.

[msabbasi]

I am sorry for not being in a position to add any information as how a car ordered by the Nawab of Bhopal ended up in my Grandfathers garage. I do know that upon acquiring this car, it was sent to Barker's for a re-body. My Grandfather did not like the Thrupp & Maberley Hunting car shape with its gun racks etc. The picture above I believe is the Barker body. I am inclined to believe that this car may now be with a collector in Germany.

[idaniyalakram0]

@msabbasi, thank you so much. That information was very helpful, and I appreciate the time you took to find it for me. I am managing a page Royal Archives, that is dedicated to erstwhile Princely States. I would be much obliged if you could share something about Vanden Plas Cadillac V - 16 once owned by H.H. Jalalat-ul-Mulk A'la Hazrat Nawab Amir Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V of Bahawalpur.

[msabbasi]

About this car I do know a little bit. Its original colour was French grey over dark grey. The chassis was created by Cadillac in RHD configuration and sent to UK for its body. The body was made by Vanden Plus in the shape called, sports sedan, painted in the colours mentioned above. There were just 4 RHD Cadillac V16s made. All four are documented in a book by Chris Cummings. Once the car was acquired by my Grandfather it was sent off to Barkers in UK for a re-spray in the colour above (dark green over black). The gentleman in the red uniform next to the car is one of my Grandfather's chauffeurs, lieutenant Abdur Rehman. Upon the death of my Grandfather, this car was inherited by one of his heirs. Later bought from said heir by my Uncle Abbas Abbasi. A dear friend of mine then purchased it from my late uncle'. This friend, a true connoisseur of cars from the 1930's, also owns 2 other cars from my Grandfather's garage has created a thread on the Indian web site equivalent to Pakwheels. The Indian website is called Team-BHP,. The thread purely related to the cars owned by my Grandfather. I will provide a link to his thread as I cannot take the credit for all the research he has done. At the moment, am informed, that he is in the process of researching and writing a book on the cars of H.H. Jalalat-ul-Mulk A'la Hazrat Nawab Amir Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V of Bahawalpur.

Link to the Tem-BHP page: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/pre-war/158460-cars-hh-nawab-sadiq-m-abbasi-v-bahawalpur-pakistan.html

In case one begins to wonder why a tread relating to a Pakistani Personality was created on an Indian forum. The reason, in part, was more due to the fact that Bahawalpur State spent more time in united India than Pakistan where it just lasted till 1955. Furthermore there are more car enthusiasts in India with knowledge of prewar cars than in Pakistan. Hence the value of inputs from Indian enthusiasts would be far greater than if it were created on Pakwheels. The other mater to keep in mind is that we are car enthusiasts and borders don't mater to us and we like to keep politics out of our joint love for all things cars.

coming back to the Cadillac in question, I am happy to say that it is now wearing its original French Grey over Drak grey and driven regularly. Picture below:

[msabbasi]

By the way, a picture of this car appears on post number 23 of the Team-BHP tread (linked above) with my Grandfather at it wheel photographed in front of the Masjid of Sadiq Garh Palace in Dera Nawab. Sadly the Merc is gone but the happily the Masjid still stands.

[uzeemujeeb]

@msabbasi sir all this is history which is hardly known to generation of 80's. Thank you so much sir your presence at this forum means a lot to many like me.

[msabbasi]

You are welcome and it is my pleasure.

[idaniyalakram0]

@msabbasi Sir, thank you for taking the time to share these fascinating facts about the Vanden Plas Cadillac V - 16 of H.H. the Nawab Saheb of Bahawalpur. Thanks for sharing that thread link. I will definitely check that out.

[idaniyalakram0]

That's remarkable, I was already looking for H.H. Jalalat-ul-Mulk A'la Hazrat Nawab Amir Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V of Bahawalpur pictures. I'll look into it as soon as possible.

[idaniyalakram0]

In its original color, Vanden Plas Cadillac V - 16 looks fantastic.

[syeddanishanwar]

The names were hillarious back then. Why these nawabs did not use a concise name like Jinnah or Iqbal? Then people would have easily remembered them.

[msabbasi]

The two people you mentioned were not titled royalty. Perhaps that clears up your mind.

Just a small example of the official title of the Queen of England: Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Full title of The Nizam of Hydrabad: Lieutenant-General His Exalted Highness Rustam-i-Dauran, Arustu-i-Zaman, Wal Mamaluk, Asaf Jah VIII, Muzaffar ul-Mamaluk, Nizam ul-Mulk, Nizam ud-Daula, Nawab Mir Barakat ‘Ali Khan Bahadur, Sipah Salar, Fath Jang, Faithful Ally of the British Government, Nizam of Hyderabad and Berar

So I think a bit of learning/research on your part need to be done before you say anything about anyone on social media. No offence. Just my 2 cents worth.

[idaniyalakram0]

@syeddanishanwar these were titles with style of the ruler of the respective state. Each state had different ones. And I agree with @msabbasi sir they were not titled royalty. Each of these titles were hard - earned. Sharing titles of few rulers of great importance:

1. Maharana of Udaipur (Mewar):
His Highness Mahavir-Pratapi, Raghu-Kula-Bhushna, Maharajadhiraj Raj Rajeshwar, Surya-Vamsha-Chudamani, Mahi Mahindra Yavadarya Kula Kamaldhivakara Chhattis Rajkul Singar Sri Sri 108 Sri Hindupati Maharana (name) Singhji Sahib Sisodia Hindua Suraj.
2. Mir of Khairpur:
His Highness Aalijah Sarkar-e-Mo'allaa Mir (name) Khan Talpur, Wali-e-Mumlikat-e-Khudadad-e-Khairpur
3. Maharaja of Jaipur:
His Highness Saramad-i-Rajah-i-Hindustan Raj Rajendra Shri Maharajadhiraja Sawai (name) Singhji
4. Maharaja of Patiala:
Farzand-i-Khas-i-Daulat-i-Inglishia, Mansur-i-Zaman, Amir ul-Umara, Maharajadhiraja Raj Rajeshwar 108 Sri Maharaja-i-Rajgan, Maharaja (personal name) Singh, Mahendra Bahadur, Yadu Vansha Vatans Bhatti Kul Bushan
5. Maharaja of Jodhpur (Marwar):
Raj Rajeshwar Saramad-i-Rajha-i-Hindustan Maharajadhiraja Maharaja Shri (name) Singhji Sahib Bahadur

@msabbasi has mentioned H.E.H. the Nizam of Hyderabad and Berar titles. And here's a fact Nizam was only ruling prince with that unique style of His Exalted Highness.

Gen. H.E.H. Nizam Mir Sir Osman Ali Khan, G.C.S.I., G.B.E., Nizam of Hyderabad and Berar has written:
Tum Iftikhar-i-Dakhan Ho
Tajdar-i-Dakhan
Tumhen ho hind mein mumtaz Shahryar-i-Dakhan
Translation:
You are the pride of the Deccan, the King of the Deccan;
Among the rulers of India, the only one that counts
Is the King of the Deccan.

Above two photographs of Mir Osman Ali Khan while later one is of Mir Sir Mahboob Ali Khan.

[idaniyalakram0]

Bahawalpur was the premier state that had acceded to Pakistan:

Titles of it's present titular ruler are as below: His Highness Jalalat ul-Mulk, Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab SALAH UD-DIN AHMAD KHAN ABBASI Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Amir of the God gifted kingdom of Bahawalpur.

His Highness poses in front of the magnificent Sadiq Garh Palace, residence of the royal family of Bahawalpur. Photo by Farhan Lashari.

Founded in 1727, Bahawalpur was one of the Muslim States in the Punjab. The Abbasi Daudputras, from whom royal family has descended, claim their descent from the Abbas, uncle of the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H).

In precedence the H.H. the Nawab Saheb of Bahawalpur would ranks second among the Chiefs of the Punjab (first one being Patiala?). He was entitled to a salute of 19 guns.

[msabbasi]

Indeed. Excellent research. Well said. Through no fault of theirs today's average person has no clue of the golden days of pre partition grandeur of these states. At one time Hyderabad constituted 27% GDP of the entire world. History is just not taught the way it was when I was in middle school.

[idaniyalakram0]

Thanks. A hard, bitter truth; that's what it is! The contributions of the erstwhile Princely States and their rulers have been long forgotten. They don't teach us those things because they don't want us to know how our glorious and kind-hearted rulers used to take a keen interest in all matters affecting their subjects' well-being. For example, Bahawalpur. The Pelicans were supporters of the Bahawalpur CoA. Pelicans are known for their self-sacrifice, which includes feeding their young with their own flesh. And that was the virtue heavily exercised by the Amir of Bahawalpur!!

Bahawalpur was one of the most progressive princely states. Sir Sadiq Abbasi had done several things to make Bahawalpur a modern state, including establishing educational institutes as well as hospitals. He had donated his private property to the University of the Punjab, King Edward's Medical College and the Mosque of Aitchison College, Lahore. His generosity knew no bounds; Nawab Sahib paid the first salary to civil servants in Pakistan and donated 70 million to the Government of Pakistan.

Sadly, they won't teach this in school.

[idaniyalakram0]

Another ruler I'd like to mention is H.H. Maharaja Shri Sir Jagatjit Singh of Kapurthala. Sir Jagatjit Singh, the last ruler of Kapurthala, had built the Moorish Mosque in 1930. It was designed by a French architect in the Moorish style and was inaugurated by Sir Sadiq Abbasi. When His Excellency the Viceroy and Governor-General of India questioned Sir Jagatjit Singh about the large cost of the building, Sir Jagatjit Singh replied to him: "Your Excellency may be unaware that 60 percent of my population comprises of my loyal Muslim subjects. It is only in the fitness of things that the best place of worship in my State be constructed for them".

Sir Jagatjit Singh of Kapurthala by Rudolf Swoboda.

Tikka Raja Shri Shatrujit Singh Sahib of Kapurthala at Moorish Mosque, Kapurthala.

Moorish Mosque, Kapurthala (Photo by Harvinder Chandigarh).

Moorish Mosque, Kapurthala (Photo by Harvinder Chandigarh).
PS: This was perhaps the only Mosque to be built by a non-Muslim ruler.

[syeddanishanwar]

Respected Daniyal Akram and you have presented interesting insights about the princely states in India.

You are right: we are not taught about the princely states in detail in the text books.
Your posts were a lecture on our culture and history that I believe everyone must be aware of. Thank you.