Vintage & Classic Car Club of Pakistan

[qasimshah]

interesting comparison...

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

[qasimshah]

interesting comparison...

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

And a VERY interesting outcome!

[yaserag]

@qasim, seems like a "god bless america" type of video, 0.09 secs difference is a lil off considering the amount of body roll that i saw on the stang. for the looks ill have the new stang tho... in gt500 guise of course

[wasifali89]

@qasimshah

i dont want to disgrace ur feelings for the horse
but frankly

it doesnt deserve that much of respect in motor industry

but all who love it.. only love it for the MUSTANG (name) that was a design icon and not an engineering breakthrough........

same story is with the new one that is mainly hated by the people in america and is sold very less as compared to its compatitors

[qasimshah]

@wasifali;
if u cant appreciate good motoring journalism, i believe you should keep your mouth shut. i give a rats *** about wat a 20 yr old kid who has a lot of growing up to do has to say about my respect or lack thereof about any motor...
the crap you drive doesnt deserve much respect as it is.and your wannabe self indulgent behaviour has been clearly shown previously on this thread as well.
and FYI; the mustang outsells its "comp-e-titors". plz do your homework before you come back with your superiority complex.

@all..this was an FYI link that had been shared. those of you who dont have it in you to respect others' classic orientations should take thier comments elsewhere.
n those who still have a moustache to grow need to learn how 2 respect the info being provided.

having said that,no offence to anyone.

cheers

[VCheng]

Everybody, please remain civil and on track. Thank you.

[qasimshah]

@qasim, seems like a "god bless america" type of video, 0.09 secs difference is a lil off considering the amount of body roll that i saw on the stang. for the looks ill have the new stang tho... in gt500 guise of course

yaser; understeer..lots of it in the M3, plus 290 lbs/ft of torque compared to the 390 in the stang..t torque pull covers up for the roll..
the M3 had roll as well...it ws inevdient due 2 the independent rear suspension..
the numbesr spek 4 themselves.
furthermore, the 412 hp gt comes within 0.3 seconds of the 550hp gt500 to the 0-60 stomp. simply cos its lighter, nimbler..imagine wat this car would do with independent rear suspension. buthaving sed that..the rear end log is a tradition...simple..just like the rear engined porsche...

i firmly belive this car did kik the m3..pretty hard....they both weigh the same..remember that...

Everybody, please remain civil and on track. Thank you.

point taken..however,i would appreciate if that point is taken by all, and a few other posts need deletion in that regard as well..
someppl know absolutely nothing about wat theyre saying..yet they say it with impunity...a trait that should NOT be appreciated.

my 2 cents.

QasimShah

[VCheng]

Please note that my previous comment applies to ALL posters here equally, and it was not directed at anybody in particular.

Ignorance, bias or prejudice is not a valid bar to expression of opinion. Polite and frank expression of a diversity of opinions should lead to interesting discussion and education of all participating.

That is all I have to say at this point.

[sami_voodoo]

@qasimshah

i dont want to disgrace ur feelings for the horse
but frankly

it doesnt deserve that much of respect in motor industry

but all who love it.. only love it for the MUSTANG (name) that was a design icon and not an engineering breakthrough........

same story is with the new one that is mainly hated by the people in america and is sold very less as compared to its compatitors

I don't know where you got that, but Ford and GM both have different ways to go around getting the job done. For me personally, the Mustang "Terminator" is the one to buy since it was the first in the Mustang lineup with IRS and a DOHC 32 Valve V8. Unfortunately, economics and public demands meant that they had to drop the IRS in favour of a live-axle rear.

Even now, if I'm not mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong) it's the only indigenous mid-priced RWD V8 sports car from a major US manufacturer. The Camaro is a Holden, and the Charger / Challenger are old E-classes from the DaimlerChrysler days. Yet the Mustang beats them all even though in theory, the live axle rear is supposed to make it lazy and uncontrolled in turns. I'm not counting the Corvette since it's more of a competitor against the 911 than the Mustang due to its price.

I'm not sure how you say that it's not being sold as much as its competitors?

[sami_voodoo]

@qasim, seems like a "god bless america" type of video, 0.09 secs difference is a lil off considering the amount of body roll that i saw on the stang. for the looks ill have the new stang tho... in gt500 guise of course

Roll is not necessarily that bad. If anything, it gives you more feedback. Also, it tends to give less shock load to tires in case of bumps. The bad thing about roll is that it increases the disparity between the load on the inside and outside tires.

[Storm]

i'm always biased towards german cars, but in this case the M3 fails to be as great as it should be....

[sami_voodoo]

i'm always biased towards german cars, but in this case the M3 fails to be as great as it should be....

I prefer to think that the Mustang has caught up.

[VCheng]

The live axle, if properly located, is actually better and stronger for drag race use, which is one of the reasons Ford has stuck with it for so lonng.

[sami_voodoo]

The live axle, if properly located, is actually better and stronger for drag race use, which is one of the reasons Ford has stuck with it for so lonng.

^^True dat. A lot of Terminators have had 9 inch rear-ends bolted in replacing the IRS since the IRS breaks under the stresses of drag racing. Here's a "typical" case

[VCheng]

Eggjactly.

Also, even in turns, the live axle is still pretty good on a smooth road. What is does not like is bumps in a turn.

[farrukhahmed]

wooohoo for the 'stang!!!

the stang's lead on german 'precision tuned' sports car only gets better from here on

[PuNk]

Spotted these three cars today

[farrukhahmed]

....love the ending bit....

A Mustang is a Mustang. Always has been, always will be, no matter how close it comes to knocking off one of the world's finest sports cars. Even if it had fully scalped the Bavarian, that wouldn't change the fundamental ethos of a legend 46 years in the making: fast, fun, and within reach of everyman. It's not America's M3. It's America's Mustang.

[qasimshah]

@all;

seems like my defense is pretty strong as it is
and my signature says it all anyway!

[farrukhahmed]

@all;

seems like my defense is pretty strong as it is
and my signature says it all anyway!

we're the mustang brothers