Volkswagen Club of Pakistan (VWCOP)

[ZEE82]

hey, mine one is sitting duck... it moves though when i pull the cable from other side....rest now i have inserted it into the cap of fuel tank... with 1000 fuel standing on E.... is it not working? how to check?

[Storm]

He would only do what is asked of him. If a well respected member of the VW community brings him a perfectly sound Variant and asks him to chop the top and make it into some contraption they saw in a magazine...what is the guy to do???? If another friend of the same person wants Arshad to build a trailer out of the same cars rear who is he to refuse?
You should have seen how he put together a car that was crushed under a building after a gas cylinder exploded. (murree Rd. 2002ish) He took left over parts from more than a dozen cars and put together a beauty which after a good paint job no one would believe was a wreck that had arrived at the workshop. Or the car belonging to an army officer that was wrecked in a road accident and even the tunnel was bent in the middle!!!
He has earned my respect over the years having transformed basket cases into head turners...He has done body work on at least one and a half dozen of my cars...and on one occasion when he was too busy I took the car to Rustams, paid him in excess of 30k (in 2005) then brought the car back to Arshad to finish. He has come a long way from his Peshawar road, road side workshop days and has really mastered the beetle curves. The only thing I'd hold against him is his time management but having said that I am guilty myself of pulling him away from whatever he is doing to attend to my "zara sa kaam" first.

i agree, he's pretty decent but you MUST stand on his head and get EXACTLY what you want done form him or he gets lazy. he's built all my cars so far as well and i'm fine with him. but romano refuses to use him for major surgery...

double post Storm!

rule number one: storm does not make mistakes
rule number two: if storm makes a mistake, slap yourself and read rule number one again.

hey, mine one is sitting duck... it moves though when i pull the cable from other side....rest now i have inserted it into the cap of fuel tank... with 1000 fuel standing on E.... is it not working? how to check?

it's possible your sender/float is not working (tank unit)

[ZEE82]

@reezvaan
hey, mine one is sitting duck... it moves though when i pull the cable from other side....rest now i have inserted it into the cap of fuel tank... with 1000 fuel standing on E.... is it not working? how to check?

@shahzebulhaq
can you post picture please, i need one for driver side only... cost plz

[reezvaan]

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[shahzebulhaq]

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Please send me a e-mail @ shahzeb.malik@telenor.com.pk and I will send the picture in reply and sorry m8 will only sell it as a set only.. already have one spare for the passenger side.. don’t want to make 2 for same side.

[Xulfiqar]

@reezvaan
hey, mine one is sitting duck... it moves though when i pull the cable from other side....rest now i have inserted it into the cap of fuel tank... with 1000 fuel standing on E.... is it not working? how to check?

If the gauge feeds off 12V direct, and uses a negative to sense fuel from the sender inside the fuel tank - get it fixed from a proper gauge mechanic, be sure to take along your gauge face too, that way he knows what resistance shows what. and full actually shows full, - the rest usually is calibrated itself

If the gauge is going flaky itself then some work can also be done inside the gauge, usually the bobbin inside becomes crudded and shows problems. A dip in something like WD40 and circuit degreaser works - be sure to coat it with a small spray of PCB varnish.

My 1302 had this problem that was fixed by cleaning out the sender in the tank. My VW Golf had this problem with both heat and fuel gauges which was sorted by replacing the voltage regulator behind the gauge cluster

[Xulfiqar]

lets get our hands on the proper sealant for rebuilding the VW engines. Any place in ISB/RWP?

A Karachi member can buy and TCS them. I would've done it for you but Ive already left Pakistan. Was in the country about a month ago.

[nmshaikh]

hey, mine one is sitting duck... it moves though when i pull the cable from other side....rest now i have inserted it into the cap of fuel tank... with 1000 fuel standing on E.... is it not working? how to check?

1000 rupees don't buy a lot of fuel these days but if the needle moves when you manually pull the wire means the trouble lies with the float part of the sender unit. I am assuming here this is a manual unit like in pre 65 -66 cars

[nmshaikh]

i agree, he's pretty decent but you MUST stand on his head and get EXACTLY what you want done form him or he gets lazy. he's built all my cars so far as well and i'm fine with him. but romano refuses to use him for major surgery...

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Romano forms his opinions very quickly. At this point, since we are running low on good experienced workers who understand the vee dubs we cannot afford to isolate one by labelling him as a FAIL. They would just as quickly go over to restoring Suzuki altos , the parts for which are readily available and that require much less work to turnout. It has always been my objective to work with these guys. You got to pamper them, give them a 'shabash' when deserved, buy a few dozen samosas and order a round a tea while you spend a few hours at the workshop and you'll be surprised how much progress you can get out of them. The Oval I bought was more or less abandoned by the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<o:p></o:p>
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[reezvaan]

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[Xulfiqar]

I dont get it - If there is such a market for VW parts Im sure that if someone takes a step to import items there are bound to be customers

[reezvaan]

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[nmshaikh]

there is another more practical (and affordable) one being reproduced that gives a digital display.
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - Vintage Speed Dehne digital fuel gauge

the same if original ...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1094464
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[AsadIshaque]

Lets see how expensive can a VW accessory get at times, especially when its about early Beetles;

TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - RAREST Of The RARE ! PEROHAUS Gauge NOS

 :-$ :-$ :-$ 

 This is the exact gauge which shall fit my 59 like a glove. My car does not have the square cutout for the usual pre 67 gauge on the dash panel behind the grille. Instead there are two round holes of small dia there.

 Shall I buy a piggy bank and start saving :P ??

[AsadIshaque]

@Xulfiqar

Its a niche market comprising of few hundred VWs. And among those few hundred cars, only dozens are with the true enthusiasts who keep their hobby cars the way they should be kept, with all the right (and at the same time expensive) parts on them.

The parts as can be seen are rather of high prices as compared to any other auto maker's parts line thus the investment in say one container of tiny bits could be way over many millions of rupees at a single import. Since there are literally a few who really spend big bucks on their VWs the importers feel their huge sums are blocked in parts which no one apparently wants to buy. As a result of months & years of blockade of investment, eventually the importers have shifted their capitals to other auto maker's parts lines, utterly resulting in total wash out of "keep on road" parts from the market unleashing a havoc for those who want to spend to keep their VWs in the best nick.

Having said that, there has been a steep inclination of awareness of vintages and thus VWs in the society in last couple of years, with more and more people being attracted to car shows after media blasts. That too has resulted in a sudden rise of demand of both, the vintage cars as well as the parts which keep those vintages on road.

I hope I have been able to explain how it should have been.

   You have successfully provided a brilliant explanation. Yes, this is exactly whats going on. 

   The specialist parts stockists here in Karachi say the same. That no one is willing to invest in such ventures as 'paisay phasanay walli bath hay' 

   They also say that there *is* still a big market for parts and the local enthusiasts are willing to pay for good parts. The problem starts as the minimum quantity one has to import feasibly comes to dozens or hundreds units each. 

   At the local scrapyard too, many 'mystery buyers' are turning up and snapping loads of the better parts, especially (surprisingly) early sixties bits. Even some of the specialist denters are collecting (and probably storing) stuff as all anticipate the shortage to get even more severe. Stuff such as early rear decklids, bumpers, fenders etc are selling for premium prices now. Things that did not sell for weeks at end earlier, disappear in no time.

[AsadIshaque]

It’s difficult to say with certainty about VW models and the accessories they came with.. VW was known to continue using an older accessory in the new model year till the stock ran out! This one is a 12 V unit I picked up a while ago stamped 5/68 and uses a sender unit instead of a mechanical cable. Someone on Samba forum told me they also came in 6V and as early as 1966..now I am not sure if 66 in the <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> was a 6V model...

The fuel gauge discussion.....

Im having second thoughts now. I dont think the US spec 68s had the earlier design. I think Nasir bhais observation is based on the Canadian spec VWs. If Im not mistaken, the Canadian market got an interesting hotch potch of parts.

A live case we can compare is the 1968 Aussie bug rescued from Karachi. It came with a unique fuel gauge which looks like the earlier mechanical unit but in fact has 6volt electrics. Very interesting. 

I think the 1968 vintage 12 volt unit Nasir bhai pictured is either off a Canadian bug or a factory spare manufactured in 68.

[AsadIshaque]

Before I picked up the Nitrile Gloves from @nmshaikh's Stash (Pakistan chapter), I used these to manage my hands being less dirtier to hold the camera to take few snaps (my spouse uses these when she works with her paints and all as she is into Painting and everything):

 These plastic gloves are quite flimsy. Good for painting etc but certainly not for any DIY which involves really using your hands. 

 I use Latex gloves, available from Medical supply stores in boxes of a 100. They are a bit expensive but provide good protection from grease and grime. However they breakdown after contacting petroleum products so are not too durable. I often go through two or three pairs on a usual DIY.

The latex gloves are a must for myself as I cannot afford to have dirty hands and finger nails at work. Imagine the expression on a patients face if I start examining him with filthy hands :-!

The problem still stands. I cannot handle the camera with the dirty gloves on :P .......I need an assistant!!

[AsadIshaque]

Threebond and permatex are easily available in Karachi, Permatex No.2 gasket maker costs Rs 650/- for a small tube while threebond 1104 or a similar loxeal product costs Rs 1500/- for a tube. One tube is good for one whole engine, Threebond looks better as it is silver in colour, Ptex is black.

The compounds remain malleable even when cured - so any thermal expansion/contraction or shock is taken up by it. RTV does not stick and is only good for aerobic applications - like sealing oil pans/valve covers and other sorts, but where there is an aluminium or magensium metal to metal joint - It wont work.

The place to buy them is opp Sindh Madressah or on Marriot Road, Jodia Bazar. It really really pays off to use proper stuff. At home I always had items like

Hylomar
Threebond 1104
Permatex gasket makers
some branded RTV
thread lock - blue and red
parts cleaners (not petrol or kerosene but proper nasty degreaser concentrates)

which I beleive everyone who is a car nut should have them. All of them bought from Jodia Bazar or Sh Liaquat

 Thanks for this valuable input. 

 A trip to the old city around Jodia bazaar has been on the cards for me since a long time. Id plan a trip soon and share what we come up with.

[AsadIshaque]

is it possible that the bent fan caused some damage to the bearings inside the alternator? have a look as it might save you removing it later again.

asad is one of those guys who is busy getting his hands (really) dirty. he's all action and get's down and dirty from what i know. ideally he should have a 2nd pair of hands to take pictures.

I checked the alternator good on the floor. The bearings (put in recently) were good. No noise at all.

I'm still a bit suspicious on the new pulley. Id check it again today after dismantling. Shall try a different fan belt too, the one with the 'teeth' to prevent slippage. 

Yes, I do get dirty at times, when the situation calls for it :P....I enjoy doing DIYs like anything. The people who observe think that I am trying to save cash by not hiring a mech to do the job......how to explain the joy you get from doing something on your own???

Yes, I do wish I had a second pair of hands......