Which one is better in performance

[Pearlpakistan]

Hey all Pak wheels Brother,

i like to know. which car is better for long distance ?

if some body going to to Hunza, Skurdu , other Northen Areas or any long route. so 1 car is Toyota Altas 1.8 or 1 car is 2.od Saloon .

Please give ur Comments which one is better in Performance overall

1. Fuel average
2. Feel Luxury traveling for Co Passengers
3. Feel More Comfortable for Driving
4. Which Vehicle have More Control in Hill Driving like snow.Upsteep
5. Which Vehicle is good to manage bad road Conditions.like same KKH Road is not overall

Please comment

Regards
Pearl Pakistan

[zainsaeed12]

2.0d saloon

[mehrozniazi1]

2.0d saloon

[Zeejigs]

according to my experience there is sometimes shortage of petrol in northern areas so i will opt 2.0D saloon! but for sure altis is much more speedy to travel!

[onlyfaith]

^^^
2 od
more power
better mileage on long routes specially hilly areas
Altis is better at handling normally but again in hilly areas you ll need 2od to do the job
for bad roads 2 od is better

[imtiz_ahmed]

Don't they have same chasis, shocks, ground clearance and all? Only comes down to torque of diesel vs petrol. Can someone post the exact figures?

Good thread though

[wahabriaz]

2od saloon

[imtiz_ahmed]

Altis
Power (PS@rpm) 130[131.81] @ 6,000
Torque ( Nm@rpm) 170 [17.17] @ 4,200

2.0D
Power (PS@rpm) 95.21[96.53] @ 4,600
Torque ( Nm@rpm) 131 [13.35] @ 2,800

Figures are favoring Altis, so how come everyone is mentioning 2.0D?

Source:
https://www.pakwheels.com/new-cars/Toyota/altis/18l-m-t/
https://www.pakwheels.com/new-cars/Toyota/corolla/20d-saloon/

[mubeenshahid]

2.0d saloon bcoz of fuel avalability of petrol.and the mileage of diesal is awesome.

[mubeenshahid]

diesel is better at hilly areas and doesnt stop

Altis
Power (PS@rpm) 130[131.81] @ 6,000
Torque ( Nm@rpm) 170 [17.17] @ 4,200

2.0D
Power (PS@rpm) 95.21[96.53] @ 4,600
Torque ( Nm@rpm) 131 [13.35] @ 2,800

Figures are favoring Altis, so how come everyone is mentioning 2.0D?

Source:
Toyota Altis 1.8L M/T in Pakistan: Car Features, Specifications and Reviews
Toyota Corolla 2.0D SALOON in Pakistan: Car Features, Specifications and Reviews

[imtiz_ahmed]

diesel is better at hilly areas and doesnt stop

And the petrol stops? Haha.... Please look at the figures again, so what you are saying is that more powerful out of two will stop just because it's petrol?

[Zeejigs]

just favoring 2.0D for diesel as its easily available! last time in naran i could not buy petrol for 2 days!

[imtiz_ahmed]

just favoring 2.0D for diesel as its easily available! last time in naran i could not buy petrol for 2 days!

If correct that makes lots of sense. Some fellows are saying that old technology based, weaker (in power) engine will out perform just because it's diesel is difficult for me to understand based on the figures available on PW. Unless I have overlooked something.

BTW Altis comes with AT option which is something not available in 2.0D.

Thanks!!!

[Temojin]

The only reason could be the availability of gasoline or otherwise, altis is certainly a better choice. There is a misconception in our country that diesels perform better on terrains like these but that is when you are talking about machines with massive torque at lower rpms. If you see the difference of torque, it is evident and the difference of rpms is not much as one's foot doesn't need to travel much in order to get the car above 4000 rpms from 2800. 2.0D is heavier.

[imtiz_ahmed]

The only reason could be the availability of gasoline or otherwise, altis is certainly a better choice. There is a misconception in our country that diesels perform better on terrains like these but that is when you are talking about machines with massive torque at lower rpms. If you see the difference of torque, it is evident and the difference of rpms is not much as one's foot doesn't need to travel much in order to get the car above 4000 rpms from 2800. 2.0D is heavier.

+1
Its just the availability of gasoline that goes in the favor of 2.0D.

Otherwise with 2.OD you get 131@2800 and with Altis its 170@4,200. With 1400 additional RPM the torque difference is around 40. This means you might still get pretty much same level of torque at 2800 with Altis. I said might because i do not have the complete graph.

Based on Indus Motor Website these options are only available in Altis.

ABS + BA + EBD. To me it is a surprise that is't not there in OD saloon, could be mistake in website.

Fuel Cut System
Switchtronic in AT

Source
Indus Motor Company Limited | Specifications

[nasir007]

2.OD Saloon !!

[Pan0]

i have driven both 2d and petrol, diesel is great for mileage, hilly areas, no over heating problem, low maintenance but diesel engine weight too much so car are not as comfortable as in petrol
for your choice there is no best car except 2d, dont go with petrol cars because old engine gets over heated in hot summer in hilly areas

[hondaFanatic]

Altis! Why? Well first off its WAY quieter than the 2C Engine plus it gives great mileage (i dont know how but it does). It has more pulling power, though at higher rpms but still it does. Plus with ABS, EBD and BA, going downhill wont be a problem.
Be careful though, Altis has the tendency to loose traction at high revs and you wouldnt want that at an inclined plane.
Have a nice trip

[vickidani]

my friend ther is smpl formula
for hilly areas always try to use diesel car because u mainly use 2nd and 3rd gear in hilly areas so diesel engine feels mor comfortable in hilly areas secondly u dnt need the high speed in such areas max speed for KKH is 100 or 120 in some areas near Chilas so Diesel is best ther

as far as Altis is concern its best for wide and open highways like motor ways wher u want high speed in 4th and 5th gear like 160 and 180 or some times 200 km/hr

and 2.Od can easily cover more thn 800km in one tank if full the tank at last stage so its another positive point

noa as u wish

[onlyfaith]

Altis
Power (PS@rpm) 130[131.81] @ 6,000
Torque ( Nm@rpm) 170 [17.17] @ 4,200

2.0D
Power (PS@rpm) 95.21[96.53] @ 4,600
Torque ( Nm@rpm) 131 [13.35] @ 2,800

Figures are favoring Altis, so how come everyone is mentioning 2.0D?

bro
Diesel is availible in all the hilly areas.

since you pointed towards it, here is the explaination,
Manual transmission is favoured more in hilly areas than AT.

and btw
no offence but

you are making the wrong comparison
you are comparing @6000 to 4600 and 4200 to 2800.
convert it into the same readings and you ll get the equation right!

hope this clarify things;)