Zic's synthetic oils

[omarabdullah022]

Which one is recommended by toyota API GL-4 or GL-5 ??
and which you recommend ZIC or toyota?????

Toyota is the safest bet....

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[omarabdullah022]

@muh_farooq wat other things they did at 40k inspection?

Engine oil
Oil filter
Airfilter
Spark plugs
Fuel filter
Brake fluid
Clutch fluid
Gear oil
This is also called their "heavy" maintaince interval.

[GoodMan7]

Engine oil
Oil filter
Airfilter
Spark plugs
Fuel filter
Brake fluid
Clutch fluid
Gear oil
This is also called their "heavy" maintaince interval.

then i feel myself lucky. Because i too check all these things by myself twice a month without any extra cost or labour.
Moreover i also check the
alignment,
air pressure,
grease boots,
oil leakage,
seals,
shocks,
and most importantly a/c filter.

[Xulfiqar]

Engine oil
Oil filter
Airfilter
Spark plugs
Fuel filter
Brake fluid
Clutch fluid
Gear oil
This is also called their "heavy" maintaince interval.

are they preteen girls?

this is not anything heavy.

[muh_farooq]

Brake oil change
Gear oil change
Mobil oil change
Oil filter change
Air filter change
A/c filter change
Electronics checkup
Battery fluid checkup
Full engine checkup (mine axle seal was leaked, replaced)
Plugs change
Tuning (mine car has rpm problem on CNG, fixed)
All nuts and bolts checkup
Wheel alignment check
Brake service

Injector cleaner

AND a total bill of approx 30, 000

[muh_farooq]

Injector cleaner liquid was added to half tank of petrol.

Also car has now stable rpm on CNG, although on petrol rpm are above 1200

[Xulfiqar]

how come brake service and brake fluid change are 2 separate jobs? and checking nuts n bolts is not a job - its usually complimentary, the oils are the expensive bits.

[GoodMan7]

Here "Brake Service" is considered to undo the Brake Pads/drums of all wheels, rub them well with Sand paper to clean & shine their surfaces, then clean them with Air blow and then re-fixing.

While, "Brake Fluid Service" is to drain all the brake oil from the system and then pouring the new one.

I've been a victim of Toyota for paying them for these jobs.
Have done it at our shop and the gentleman who did all these works was happy after having just Rs. 200/- in his pocket.
While at Toyota, they charged more than 1K for this job.

[bradpit]

We can clearly read the words "Fully Synthetic" on the bottles of

Zic A+ 5/20 FULLY SYNTHETIC GRM is 5K (Blue color bottle)
Zic OW 0/30 FULLY SYNTHETIC GRM is 7K (dim golden color bottle)
Zic XQ 5/40 FULLY SYNTHETIC GRM is 10K (shining golden color bottle)

(GRM = Generally recommended mileage).

Am just trying to figure out the "technical difference" (other than viscosity) between these oils because their bottles shows fully synthetic.
If any knowledge, then plz share.

The most stupid thing is that their 0W/30 is marketed inferior to 5W/40.

5W/40 is again ad ODD rating as generally 5W/30 is preferred.

[GoodMan7]

The most stupid thing is that their 0W/30 is marketed inferior to 5W/40.

5W/40 is again ad ODD rating as generally 5W/30 is preferred.

yes agree.
But still zic people are writting fully on all these three oils. And if 0/30 is fully synthetic, then generally its ci should be more than 5/40 though.

[mianaasim]

Toyota is the safest bet....

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Thanks. But I heard that toyota oils are provided by total. I personally use ZIC engine oil for last 8 years and I am very much satisfied with the quality. Is there any harm in ZIC GL-4 or GL-5 ???? I mean, in my mind, if Total oil is packed in toyota packing then I should go for ZIC instead. Wat experts say??

[omarabdullah022]

Thanks. But I heard that toyota oils are provided by total. I personally use ZIC engine oil for last 8 years and I am very much satisfied with the quality. Is there any harm in ZIC GL-4 or GL-5 ???? I mean, in my mind, if Total oil is packed in toyota packing then I should go for ZIC instead. Wat experts say??

Total engine oil is used by suzuki and honda.
MAL (mobil 1 distributors) blend engine oil for toyota.
I'm not even close to any expert. Your car requires GL-4 or Gl-5 -- either of the two. Toyota manual transmission fluid is a bit expensive but is imported and you have a eace of mind that it is original. Zic mtf is good (im using it in my cuore) but make sure you buy from a reputed dealer.

[Xulfiqar]

Here "Brake Service" is considered to undo the Brake Pads/drums of all wheels, rub them well with Sand paper to clean & shine their surfaces, then clean them with Air blow and then re-fixing.

While, "Brake Fluid Service" is to drain all the brake oil from the system and then pouring the new one.

I've been a victim of Toyota for paying them for these jobs.
Have done it at our shop and the gentleman who did all these works was happy after having just Rs. 200/- in his pocket.
While at Toyota, they charged more than 1K for this job.

Brake pads and shoes do no need to be rubbed with sandpaper in any case, One hard braking will clean the brakes themselves. Brake service in any case (including my shop) is/was this.

1 - inspect pads/shoes/discs/drums/bearings - replace as required.
2 - degrease, clean all hardware
3 - lubricate with copper antisieze on back of pads, drum shoe pivot, drum shoe autoadjuster, drum shoe rubbing nub.
4 - lubricate with silicone grease - brake shoe external cup boot cavity, brake pad caliper pins
5 - Apply threadlocker to caliper holder bolts
6 - wash discs/drums with brake cleaner spray
7 - Replace brake fluid if one year period has passed or age is unknown.

The cars never had any squeal problem or vibration problem for years. Toyota in Pakistan seems to be thinking people are morons and they can pay one whole job in 2 pieces.

[margallar]

Brake pads and shoes do no need to be rubbed with sandpaper in any case, One hard braking will clean the brakes themselves. Brake service in any case (including my shop) is/was this.

1 - inspect pads/shoes/discs/drums/bearings - replace as required.
2 - degrease, clean all hardware
3 - lubricate with copper antisieze on back of pads, drum shoe pivot, drum shoe autoadjuster, drum shoe rubbing nub.
4 - lubricate with silicone grease - brake shoe external cup boot cavity, brake pad caliper pins
5 - Apply threadlocker to caliper holder bolts
6 - wash discs/drums with brake cleaner spray
7 - Replace brake fluid if one year period has passed or age is unknown.

The cars never had any squeal problem or vibration problem for years. Toyota in Pakistan seems to be thinking people are morons and they can pay one whole job in 2 pieces.

Furthermore I never saw them use thread lock, anitisieze or even silicon grease, they dont even use torque ratchets, is there any way to force them to do it, like complain to japan hq or something

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[GoodMan7]

Brake pads and shoes do no need to be rubbed with sandpaper in any case, One hard braking will clean the brakes themselves. Brake service in any case (including my shop) is/was this.

1 - inspect pads/shoes/discs/drums/bearings - replace as required.
2 - degrease, clean all hardware
3 - lubricate with copper antisieze on back of pads, drum shoe pivot, drum shoe autoadjuster, drum shoe rubbing nub.
4 - lubricate with silicone grease - brake shoe external cup boot cavity, brake pad caliper pins
5 - Apply threadlocker to caliper holder bolts
6 - wash discs/drums with brake cleaner spray
7 - Replace brake fluid if one year period has passed or age is unknown.

The cars never had any squeal problem or vibration problem for years. Toyota in Pakistan seems to be thinking people are morons and they can pay one whole job in 2 pieces.

i have seen many times that only way to clean brake pads n shoes are to rub them on the sand paper and refix them. Nobody does here as you mentioned.
Anyway, now regarding brake fluide, does it means that its age is only 1 year?
I remember that toyota workshop poured dot3 brake flude whereas they should use dot4 which is latest and best in properties too. But our own mechanic was telling that i shoiluld not let them change the brake fluide. And if they have changes it, then it was perhaps highly unnecessary.

[Xulfiqar]

i have seen many times that only way to clean brake pads n shoes are to rub them on the sand paper and refix them. Nobody does here as you mentioned.
Anyway, now regarding brake fluide, does it means that its age is only 1 year?
I remember that toyota workshop poured dot3 brake flude whereas they should use dot4 which is latest and best in properties too. But our own mechanic was telling that i shoiluld not let them change the brake fluide. And if they have changes it, then it was perhaps highly unnecessary.

Brake pads experience temperatures of insanity, anything on them with contaminates then like oil/grease etc can be wiped if brakes were never applied, but if brakes were applied with such oils present then the material is ruined. Replace the friction material.

Brake fluid life is 1 year only, after that it severely becomes adulterated with water and lowers the boiling point quite a lot (50C), DOT4 brake fluid has a very slightly higher boiling point than DOT3 but degrades faster and I can almost guarantee you will never experience any difference unless you are rallying the car.

If your mechanic is recommending not to change brake fluid then either you are joking or the mechanic is joking or he has no business in being a car mechanic. I believe this same mechanic will tell you never to change the brake rubber pipes unless they break or get blocked.

hint: when you open a brake system and find rust in it - why did it rust in presence of brake fluid and no air? - it was the water that vaporises to steam and causes this rust.

[Xulfiqar]

Furthermore I never saw them use thread lock, anitisieze or even silicon grease, they dont even use torque ratchets, is there any way to force them to do it, like complain to japan hq or something

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Get the service manager to show you the service manual, it has all of this written in plain language. Show him that and ask him why is this not followed. If he says its OK as it is - then get this in writing on the showroom letterhead, stamped and signed by him, then send a copy to the local agents like IMC, AHL, PS etc and demand a proper answer.

The letter should detail what is used instead of the manual recommendation.

Trust me - in Pakistan every employee at any place wants to act like he's king, to get any work out of them I always press to get whatever they are saying on paper or atleast as voice recording if they dont want to give it on paper - denial of such means that they are doing wrong and they know it.

You cannot do this on "jay dee amm" aka pikachu aka pokemon cars from Japan Auctions as no one is their authorised agents no matter if they say Toyota, Honda or even Suzuki on them.

[mianaasim]

Brake pads experience temperatures of insanity, anything on them with contaminates then like oil/grease etc can be wiped if brakes were never applied, but if brakes were applied with such oils present then the material is ruined. Replace the friction material.

^ @xulfiqar bhai yeh wali baat pallay nahi pari.
and please also comment about the clutch fluid service.

[mianaasim]

@xulfiqar . wat u recommend regarding clutch fluid?????

[GoodMan7]

ZIC writing word VHVI on almost all of their oil bottles.
It stands for "Very High Viscosity Index".

Technically if oil has viscosity index like 80-110 then its considered high.
But if it has above than 110, then its considered as very high.
Lets say VI as 115, 118, 125, 132, 140, etc. all of the oils having these VIs can be called as VHVI oils. And these days almost all the available oils in the market even the mineral ones, also have very high viscosity index (means above than 110).
But Zic particularly writing this word on oil bottles as a marketing trick.

Viscosity Index Classification
upto..35 Low
35..80 Medium
80..110 High
110.. up Very High