2021 Honda City GM6 Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[kmq007]

artificial electronic 'grip'.

Sir,

Although I am not a mechanical engineer but
VSC or VSA as Honda calls it; is a very different thing. It has nothing to do with enhancing road grip.

"Artificial electronic grip"... I have never heard this term in my life... I even googled it lol.. there is no such thing as "Artificial Electronic Grip"

In very simple terms you can say VSC or VSA is a system of differential auto braking of tyres individually with input from complex sensors within the tyre hub assembly which send continous input to the VSC Unit (an ECU essentially) which helps protect the car to maintain a straight trajectory through differentially braking the tyres individually using ABS in cases of sudden turning to avoid spinning, turning over etc etc...

Now a general observation: Paishgi maazrat kay sath

After visiting these threads frequently I have finally learnt the meanings of the mahawra
"Ishq andha hota hai".

People have endlessly defended the missing VSC using completely mind boggling, irrational, made up explanations...Some even said that VSC isn't even needed in this segment of cars.

Now either they are blindly in love with Atlas or they are simply in denial phase.

In all honesty, Atlas just plain cheaped out and didn't provide VSA, HA etc in Pakistan to save money putting peoples lives at risk.

I seriously don't understand this... no matter how grounded it feels.. why wouldn't Honda city spin out or become unstable on sudden turning?

Please give a scientific logic...

Fan boys are persistent that VSC isn't a major feature and it's not needed...

But wait.. even the manufacturer thinks that Vehicle Stability Control System is a life saver.

That's exactly why they offered it in GM6 globally although they called it VSA (Vehicle Stability Assist). (Searched archived specs of GM6- as it's a globally discontinued model)

In my opinion Honda Atlas CFO/CMO miscalculated.... they could have easily missed out on climate control, Rear AC Vents, seat height adjuster etc and priced the aspire atleast 3.5 millionbex factory.. because it's pretty evident that Pakistanis would still have bought it just out of blind love..

Iski leay to kehtay hain na..
Ishq da koi mul nahin...

[ifadey]

Brother, I never owned Yaris or City nor do I plan to own one. The point is, I am not a fanboy.

Most of our lives, we Pakistanis drove vehicles without ABS and you are talking about VSC and HA. A sensible driver may never activate these features, not even once during the whole ownership period. But suddenly these features become important after they were introduced in Yaris. Everyone is talking about them.

Two years back, I replaced old Cultus with Alto 600cc. I never saw ABS get activated, not even once during this whole time.
Right now I am planning to switch my Wagon R with Saga and all these goodies are present in Saga as well in much less price. I am pretty sure ABS, VSC will never activate for me due to my driving style.

Yes, if someone is driving like a maniac at motorway speed, this is where such features help and may save from major accident. But for most of the city driving where traffic move at slow speeds, these features are just weight you are carrying for which you paid high amount, and you will never use it in your whole life.

[engineerjibran]

Bhai one may not regularly use it , but on a fateful day such a feature could be a life saver. Like you do not use airbags everyday, you are not even sure if they are there. These all features are for our safety and though they are not as essential as a brake in your car but they are considered essential in many countries.

[mgalaxy3]

Sir 80% Pakistanis still drive cars with no air bags at all.

Doesn't mean they're not important...

[roboxx]

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[danyalag6]

"Artificial electronic grip"... I have never heard this term in my life... I even googled it lol.. there is no such thing as "Artificial Electronic Grip"
No need to google it, the term doesn't exist because I made it up to explain my point. Guess I wasn't clear enough.
I'm meaning to say that VSC should work in tandem with mechanical grip, and by ''mechanical" I mean things like suspension setup and lower center of gravity. If you make a car mechanically stable, then it is already much, much less likely to spin out, or lose grip in the case of a sudden evasive maneuver. And yes, as I said already city too is also not a great handling car, and it too needs VSC and TC; especially at the level Atlas have priced it.
On the other hand, Yaris would have been a much better car if Indus did not raise it up this much, and it would have been a better handling, and safe car. All foreign reviews I've seen at least say it has satisfactory stability; not great, but not bad either.
I've seen a lot of reviews in the Yaris thread saying that it has great stability and handling, but when I drove one, I wasn't very impressed. People here really have no idea what good stability and handling mean, the only PKDM car remotely close in having good stability is the civic, and it is not due to civic having VSC, VSA, or TC, it is due to civic having a better suspension setup(multi-link in the rear) and a lower center of gravity. If you don't believe me, drive the current civic with TC and VSA off, and then drive a Grande and see for yourself which car feels more safe and stable. And I'm not against Toyota, I own a Grande myself, but still the fact remains, All electronic stability assists cannot compensate for a better suspension setup, or better 'mechanical grip'.
A car is safest and at least risk of spinning out or turning over when both mechanical and electronic aspects of stability work together, not when they fight with each other. And even if I had to choose, I would much rather prefer a car with four-corner double wishbone suspension with no VSA(like a Mark X) over a car with a typical run-of-the-mill macpherson strut, and torsion beam suspension with VSC, VSA, and TC.
But maybe that is just me and I'm old school.

[uzeemujeeb]

people here really have no idea what good stability and handling mean

[chinyoti]

Was going thru a Manual Honda City add. Look at the gear knob. What kachra are they selling.

And it still sells.

[omaruser156370259465]

Die hard Honda fans will still buy it due to short shifter vibes from S2000.

[firewolf]

Found this on social media. 'Stuck cruise control' can this actually happen ??

[lalacars]

With reference to the whole conversation in this 2021 Honda City discussion the outcome summary is “” DON’T BUY HONDA CITY”

TOYOTA YARIS is the BEST option in this category.

[umfa85]

Yaris is right now good value for money but still is the most ugliest car available in Pakistan... ( Personal perspective)

[htb456]

DON’T BUY HONDA CITY”

TOYOTA YARIS is the BEST option in this category.

Not because yaris is "best" in category, but just because yaris is good value to money. And people are still buying honda city and will keep buying it irrespective of the whole rant on this forum.

[Deadly_Flame]

A sensible driver may never activate these features,

I am pretty sure ABS, VSC will never activate for me due to my driving style.

Hmmm, what an illogical rationale to rationalize the omission of important safety features. I believe your car shouldn't have airbags as well, since you are a sensible driver and you've never activated ABS, I am sure you wouldn't have airbags of your vehicles deployed either because YOU drive safe!

You are focused on variables that are in your control. However, when you are driving there are many variables that are not in your control. You might be the safest driver on earth, but when the variables that are NOT in your control come into play you are at the mercy of these safety features.

[muhammad.hamza.shahid]

Yaris is originally a hatchback. All hatchback converted to sedans are ugly

[omaruser156370259465]

These are important features nonetheless, just because a few cars don't have them doesn't mean a 30 lac car shouldn't have them too. My brother was saved from a major accident possibly due to Traction Control as the Vezel Driver ahead had collision control activated which breaked very hard due to a rickshaw getting close to it and ultimately, he had to turn to the immediate left and the car still didn't lose any grip. These features are introduced for a reason not just for shashka.

[awais924]

@roboxx thanku sir for sharing the post

[awais924]

Test Drive review of a customer who came from USA

@fazalwahab11375 sir your thoughts on it? please check my posts in fb group are pending since many days.

[imranchughtai]

With due respect. Bhai USA say aa ker bhi seat belt lagana bhool gayee hain.... bhai na book kerai hai ya nahi....but back seat walay uncle tu for sure ON mafia lag rhay hain

[danyalag6]

aur dosri baat ye ke city doesn't even exist in the US market. So obviously the person is lying about having been to the US.