Accord CL9 New Owner's Thread

[munirhusain]

One more thing. CL7 has a rev limit of 6800 and CL9 has at 7000. This is visible on the tachometer where the red portion starts. On the CL9, the red portion starts exactly at 7000 and on the CL7 it's from 6800.

Do check this out as well.

[ali.iqbal1]

Chassis Number: CL91005521

@munirhusain - Sir gaari CL9 hi hai

@usmansameen - My pleasure brother, here to help you out in any possible way!

[viking85]

Correct. Now, I think he just has to verify the engine number on the block with the book and online record. If they match, it would be okay.

[ali.iqbal1]

For checking the official records kindly use the link:

It's only for car's registered to Punjab.

http://www.mtmis.excise-punjab.gov.pk/

[Rahat083144]

True, that's why as a skeptic I said that anything can be faked out - documentation, chassis / engine number, instrument cluster, exhausts, intake manifold (they have slightly different manifolds), etc.

The silly suggestion I gave is the only thing that cant be faked out - max revs! These ECUs are near impossible to flash (for increasing max revs I mean).

[Rahat083144]

Remember bro, we're just trying to help, and listing out all possible worst case scenarios. For all we know, it could just be a damaged silver engine cover replaced carelessly by a black cover and a genuine attempt to conceal engine 'CC' causing all the confusion! So no need to panic just yet.

[usmansameen]

Yes. That could be a possible cause. I am just being careful. Because frankly people donot tell the shortcomings of the car unless buyer finds out on his own. So i would like to confirm this.

[ali.iqbal1]

And a CL9 with a flashed ECU will only be better at performing hehe

[Rahat083144]

A couple of things I just realized.

Firstly, I'm sure you could easily swap K20A4 into the CL9 and mate the headers with the existing twin exhaust system of CL9, so we shouldn't read much into the twin exhausts.

Secondly, engine number will only tell you if it's K24A or K20A. So even if it says K24A, you don't know for sure if it's K24A3 (CL9) or K24A4 (Thai). For that, maybe lookup the engine number series or best to redline, as I've said before.

[Rahat083144]

@usmansameen brother, sorry to be obsessed about this, but here is my conclusion based upon the info here:

Car is declared as 2000cc. Not so easy to get away with, otherwise with this Pakistani awam it's very much possible that every other CL9 would be declared that way. It's also possible that engine number mentioned in docs is K20A-xxxxxxx. If it's a K24 then engine number on docs would not match engine number on block. No seller would sell his car with this anomaly.

Engine cover is black. That could only belong to a Thai or CL7. Engine cover sticker is missing. Thai Accord would say 'i-VTEC 2.4 DOHC' whereas CL7 would say 'i-VTEC DOHC'. So if it's a CL7 engine, it would make sense to peel off the sticker, if you're branding it as a 2.4 CL9.

Without much technical info, I'm sure CL7 engine can easily be mated to CL9 exhausts.

These things are pointing suspiciously towards a CL7 engine. Do keep us posted. Redline test is the surest way for a quick definite confirmation. Scary stuff this is.

[ali.iqbal1]

Car is declared as 2000cc.

The thing I don't understand is how could the car be declared as a 2000CC and still be registered as a CL9 with a K24 (engine capacity: 2400). Punjab excise excludes the engine capacity whereas Sindh excise includes in their documentation and online which again is mind boggling.

You're absolutely right about everything, caution is much needed in this case.

[usmansameen]

As per eto record, engine number is k24a1005544. If the black cover is because of a cl7 engine, the engine number will not match and will be k20xxxxxx..

Now, 2nd issue can be this being a thai engine. Again, one scenario is engine numbers not matching which will confirm engine swap. But if engine numbers match, that means its the original engine since car registration i.e 2006 and not a replaced thai engine.

[usmansameen]

To find that out we will need the guy who registered the car. The seller is not the first owner!!!!

[ali.iqbal1]

Do keep us posted!

[Rahat083144]

Yes, and now I'm getting real curious. Just because, as a buyer, its a potential learning for all of us.

There are numerous K engines out there and not easy to distinguish. I was in a similar situation after I bought the car - but in a positive sort of way. Mine is a pre-facelift Type S, so I started wondering if it has the K24A2, which is even more powerful than K24A3. After lot of research I found that mine is K24A3 as K24A2 is only found in facelift Type S (2006 and after).

But in your situation, I repeat again, just take the car for a spin, warm it up, find a nice piece of road and do the 'kickdown' at around 20-30kph then hold on for dear life. If it revs to 7200-7300 in first gear then you can rest easy and do the documentation research at peace.

[usmansameen]

So i should put the car in 1st gear and just push pedal to the metal? But doesnt the car slow down as soon as it hits the red line which is usually below 7000 rpm?

[usmansameen]

Or i can keep the car in D and just push down and it will rev up till 7300?

[ali.iqbal1]

If you're doing it in manual mode you'll hit your rev-limiter - preferably do it on 'D' and you'll get a better idea - And for a better experience I suggest turning off VSA because otherwise the ECU will try to hold-back on power in order to avoid wheel-spin.

lol I think the current owner might just deem us insane if he ever reads these comments

[usmansameen]

Kasmay us nay kehna hai keh gari na hi khareed. But you can never be too careful bhai.

[Rahat083144]

Haan bro, just do what you would do as if you are testing the 'pick' of your CL9.

AC off, put it in D mode, kickdown at around 20-30kph. Below that speed and it will put strain on drivetrain, and above that speed, car 2nd mein na uth jae LOL. CL9 has a very 'econo' type habbit of not going till max revs unless you really kickdown quickly and also picking from 2nd gear sometimes.

Many times when i do this, car shifts around 6900RPM mark. But when you really kickdown properly, simply keep going and note at what RPM it shifts from 1st-2nd gear. Soon as you've noted that RPM you can slow back down.