Changan OSHAN X7 Fanclub / Owners Discussion Thread

[zahid.geol]

1. So Someone posts Proton X-70 is good VFM.
2. I reply it is low quality.
3. You start personal attacks on me.
4. I post proofs of my statement as images.

You: Look moderator Look, he is posting Proton X-70 images

[zahid.geol]

Dude has made up his mind. There's no arguing with him now.Drives toyotas worst pkdm sedan (Yaris) to date (according to me) - the worst cvt response also, engine start up sound is the worst I've heard in recent cars.

Ohhh ok.
1. Quite irrelevant what I drive. Someone can drive a BMW and still be wrong.
2. Worst pkdm because worst CVT? i) I didn't buy it as a sports car. ii) I drive in Sports mode when I need to iii) Its dashboard is not breaking and all colors are intact iv) Not much engine startup sound

Honda city's (prev. Gens) dashboard fading

Dashboard fading is not the same as dashboard braking and chips of wrappers coming off

Toyota Corollas passenger seat making weird noise.

Again very minor problem which can be easily fixed

Plus you're not educating people, rather it's seems you want to ENFORCE your opinion on them.

Go ahead please buy it, I am not forcing you not to buy Chinese cars. I am giving opinion unlike some others here who are here for personal attacks only.

And btw people like you are the reason we do not have competition here. Suzukis toyotas and hondas know that narrow minded people exist, who will happily justify price point of a stripped civic oriel while warn people against Changan without any concrete reason JUST because it is Chinese and isn't dirt cheap.

Its also the other way around, Chinese manufacturers think they can sell their Chinese cars at ridiculous prices in the name of CHANGE and use sentiments against Big 3.

since we'll accept that even as soon as the little competition disappears.

Competition is not offering much when you see the prices are exactly at par with PKDM. They are actually helping them by offering their cars at same prices

[zahid.geol]

Yes excellent, Chinese are offering the same

[zahid.geol]

By the way, now I days I'm waiting for Honda to proceed with my quality claim about the Steering rack issue or pay them to 225K for an instant fix. They said me to wait for at least 4months to get this repair. Not sure how can you drive a car with that issue?

Yes Civic X was a disaster for Honda Atlas

I booked Oshan X7 today and I can easily the quality difference. Paint quality was great overall build quality was pretty satisfying.

I wish you good luck, hope Oshan X7 proves to be a better alternative. Only time will tell

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[Moderator]

@mgalaxy3 @zahid.geol

please exercise caution. do not derail thread do not get personal.
consider this a polite warning, next violation will be a silent strike.

[Nabs]

The only way to make sure if we're not getting ripped off is to check the price of the vehicle in the brand's local market. I did a little digging and discovered following information.

Oshan X7 starting price in China for automatic transmission (1.5T Blue Whale Automatic Deluxe): 93,900 Yuan without tax or 2.6 million PKR at current exchange rate.
~ Source (in Chinese language)

Honda Civic starting price in Japan for automatic transmission (LX CVT): 2,900,000 yen without tax or 4.4 million PKR at current exchange rate.
~ Source (in Japanese language)

[waqasahmed03]

but these are high efficient competitive markets with lots of high end local partner and parts support. also we have to add the percentage of duty on CKDs import. so all is not on part of oshan. the goverment eats the share too.

[Nabs]

Civic starts at 4.4 million PKR in Japan, 5.1 million PKR in Pakistan = 0.7 million difference
Oshan X7 starts at 2.6 million PKR in China, 5.7 million PKR in Pakistan = 3.1 million difference

[waqasahmed03]

i think you checked the older version. the new oshan x7 in japan is near 32000$ or 5.8 mil pkr

https://www.ccarprice.com/jp/changan-oshan-x7-2022-price-in-japan-8938

[Nabs]

That website is not credible, and Changan is not a Japanese brand, its Chinese, so you have to compare price of Chinese local market to ours. Just like you compare price of Honda's local market in Japan to ours.

In that sense Honda offers more value for money as its similarly priced to its local market, while Oshan X7 is very overpriced as compared to its local market.

[wasiqshahab94]

While I agree that X7 is overpriced, your comparison is quite disingenuous.

For one, the Civic sold in Japan is the hatchback, which itself is $1000 more expensive than the sedan. Secondly, are you seriously comparing the car sold in Japan to the gimped and stripped out joke that Atlas rolled out? A PKDM comparable Civic would cost ~3.2mn in Japan, not 4.4mn.

On the other hand, you've chosen the pricing of the most basic Blue whale X7 in China with 17" wheels, only 2 airbags, 3.5inch MID, manual seat adjustment, etc. PKDM X7 is equipped similar to one of the higher trims of Chinese X7.

To make some sense of X7's pricing, here's a little math:

we are getting 188hp 1.5t/DCT version which is priced between 93.9k-133.9k RMB (2.58mn - 3.68mn PKR).

Price increase of Alsvin Lumiere from China to Pakistan is around 57%. For simplicity's sake and because both Alsvin and X7 fall under 1300-1500cc tax bracket, If we apply the same increase to X7 pricing, it comes out to be 5.77mn PKR.

I agree, X7 is overpriced in Pak but it's a little more complicated than just converting the currency.

[mgalaxy3]

X7 plus is priced higher in china but yeah overall it’s unfortunate the Chinese cars are priced so high here.

Anyway

How much Korean cars cost in Korea? Tucson and Sportage ?

We can then get an idea because both atlas and indus have decades old setups n quite a few localisation too.

Koreans are all imported CKD I think.

That will help compare price jump from their local markets to Pakistan.

[mgalaxy3]

so I just checked prices of korean cars in Korea vs. Pakistan.

Hyundai sonata 2.0 : starting ~26 million WON = 3.9 million PKR.
While, price in Pakistan is 6.8 million PKR.

Now,
Tucson (NEW GEN!) costs ~24 million won 1.6Turbo = 3.5 million PKR.
Price in Pak 2L: 5.5 million PKR.

So,
I don't think things are that simple that you just convert.

Maybe it's about taxes,
maybe it's about company's profit margins etc.

But
Yes

One has to wonder, why some cars don't increase much in price as compared to local market prices vs Pakistan.

I hope we're able to see some benefits of low cost cars (eg Chinese) transferred to local PAK market.

[waqasahmed03]

Make sense because they are made in korea while in pakistan , duties are paid and then assembled.

No surprises here.

[mgalaxy3]

Yes. But we’re not talking about that.

Talking about relative increase in price when the car comes here.
Chinese increase vs Japanese vs Korean.

[engineerjibran]

The discussion of chinese and japanese quality is valid where we actually get a japanese quality product. In pakistan are we actually getting a japanese quality product? Look at the imported alto and the locally produced alto. Same goes for the chinese products , saw alsvin in saudi arabia and the built quality was way better than we get here in pakistan. Yaris here is nothing compared to what they get in middle east , quality wise.

Go with your vehicle to a truck weighing point on motorway and check whether your vehicle matches the actual weight specifications , needless to say that you will be surprised.

We can fight all day defending the vehicles we love but the fact of the matter is that we are getting poor quality pkdms here. The built quality, the material used and services are all inferior to what they provide in other countries.

I wonder that the NCAP is actually valid for the PKDMs here.

[chinyoti]

Changing currency doesn't simply equate the formula.

ROI in Pakistan very less due to the number of sales.

Anyone in the position to set up a assembly line/plant isn't doing charity. They need a standardized or calculated ROI else they will shut down and keep doing trading where ROI is better then setting up industry

[mgalaxy3]

Found this ranking of SUVs in China, based on local 'word of mouth/reviews':

1. Changan CS75 Plus (2022)

2. Haval H6

3. Changan Oshan X7 Plus (2022)

4. SAIC/GM Wuling Star

https://k.autohome.com.cn/compareseries/6126/#pvareaid=3454651

(Translate to Eng)

Not sure how reliable this source is.

[ayazsaddiquk]

Do cars in China depreciate?