Ecotec - OptimusSS

[OptimusSS]

and the beauty of this thread is keh jiss kee car hey, who can tell the exact average and power issues with AC etc is not responding..baqee sub mahiraana raaay paish kar rahay hein...OH thread starter bhai.....kuch karein

I have already put up all the details of the average etc, please go through the previous pages, let me know if you still have any queries.

sorry for the late reply been busy.

[waleed80]

thanks for ur reply but those averages were of the initial days when u got the car, that too not complete...also tell us abt the power issues as ppl say keh on CNG this car creeps and is way too underpowered, specially with AC on....so tell us the averages again please..on local and long and also the power issue. thanks

[waleed80]

In Short reply to these questions
1. Average per cylinder in local (with and without AC)
2. Average per cylinder on long route (with and without AC)
3. Power comparison of the car on CNG vis-a-vis Petrol.. How much loss of power
4. Is this car REALLY underpowered and way too slow in acceleration ??

[OptimusSS]

@waleed80

1)I haven't checked the average again, but im guessing it won't change much.
2)I do not drive it without the Ac its not very safe when stopping on traffic signals.
3) In my opinion there is no powerloss on CNG as compared to petrol, its almost the same. the multi-fuel injection kit was specifically designed for this reason. whenever the fuel is changed its hard for me to notice if it has actually converted to the other fuel.
4) the car is as good as any other. Its not a sports car but the acceleration and drive are really good.

I do not know why such rumors are spread, and why do people believe them. The solution is very simple go to a toyota dealer are take a test drive.

if you have any other queries give me a buzz. but i won't be able to quote average consumption figures since i am not in pakistan at the moment.

[waleed80]

@waleed80

1)I haven't checked the average again, but im guessing it won't change much.
2)I do not drive it without the Ac its not very safe when stopping on traffic signals.
3) In my opinion there is no powerloss on CNG as compared to petrol, its almost the same. the multi-fuel injection kit was specifically designed for this reason. whenever the fuel is changed its hard for me to notice if it has actually converted to the other fuel.
4) the car is as good as any other. Its not a sports car but the acceleration and drive are really good.

I do not know why such rumors are spread, and why do people believe them. The solution is very simple go to a toyota dealer are take a test drive.

if you have any other queries give me a buzz. but i won't be able to quote average consumption figures since i am not in pakistan at the moment.

thanks a lot for ur reply. so one last thing, have u driven the previous generation corolla on CNG ? if yes, how do u compare it with that, only the performance aspect, not the comfort level

[chinyoti]

^ @waleed80, I wouldnt compare as the FF CNG kit is of the next generation to what localy landirenzo kits are,
PS: Some one stole our 9th Gen Corollas ECU from Outside masjid, last friday, becare full fokes. :@

[waleed80]

^ @waleed80, I wouldnt compare as the FF CNG kit is of the next generation to what localy landirenzo kits are,
PS: Some one stole our 9th Gen Corollas ECU from Outside masjid, last friday, becare full fokes. :@

bro i guess we can because previous gen corolla was superb on CNG, FF or not...like our gli 07 easily touches 150 with 4 ppl on board and AC on without any effort...120 is a piece of cake infact....

and how the hell someoe stole ECU ?? was the bonnet open ??? and why ECU only, why not the kit itself ?

[chinyoti]

^ Yup the 9th Gens are superb on CNG, iwas saying about the power loss, it should be very much minimal. Liana drove nicely on CNG too.

The ECU in the 9th Gen is behind the dash, But once sumones in, Its the dash or the bonnet who cares.

[waleed80]

now i m highly inclined towards an Ecotec, maybe Xli or Gli.....money InshAllah i wud somehow manage.

[waleed80]

but the feedback of the thread starter is still solicited abt the comparison of this car on CNG vs 9th Gen on CNG

[chinyoti]

but the feedback of the thread starter is still solicited abt the comparison of this car on CNG vs 9th Gen on CNG

bht khoobsoorat advise, I know the poster, He did come to karachi in the summer break, Helped or was involved in the purchase of the car, But has left for his studies abroad.

This guy is not a genuine source of feedback on performance.

As far as i know, the car would do great, And Toyota has provided the interfearence software to local CNG mechanics as well. (but you wouldnt probably take ur Corolla to local mechanics)

Yes the price does feels high, But ur getting CNG, Suspension upgrade, and Warranty. Suzuki is offering the same for 70k-80k more. That includes 2 small cylinders, (boot saving)

But yet again we all know, The toyota wont leave u standing in the middle of no-where (inshaAllah)

This Eid Corolla realy atracts because of new looks.

While Civic even driven out of the showroom on chand raat looks the same as in 2006, So it doesnt gives chills beside the new number plate.

Id say give it go, Try a a test drive if possible.

@automaster is offering a similar BRC kit, But IMC is offering Landi-Renzo.

Maybe @automaster can arrange a test drive for u in one of the cars they fitted CNG in, I doubt if any of the IMC dealerships would provide you with a ECOtec test drive.

[OptimusSS]

but the feedback of the thread starter is still solicited abt the comparison of this car on CNG vs 9th Gen on CNG

I have driven the 9th gen as well, in my opinion its hard to compare really. The previous model was not too bad to drive, the suspension of both are equally good for pakistan roads. the acceleration of both is satisfactory, not the best but enough for local driving. I haven't driven either of them on long routes so i wouldn't be the best person to ask about that. Other than that, the 10 gen feels bulkier when driven as compared to the previous model, but when you put your foot down you realize the feeling was not completely correct. The gear changes are not very smooth in either of the two, personally i never like the gear changes of these corollas, honda provides much better, effortless gear changes. the bulid quality is pathetic both feel like cheap plastic, however it is still better than the new civic in the long run. personally i would have never bought a local manufactured car, it is possible to get something much better in the same price range, but due to the security situation, and easy maintenance, and the fact that i won't be around the whole year, made this the best choice for me.

at this point in time considering all the factors that affect a buyers opinion in a city like karachi, the ecotec is the best option to go for.

[waleed80]

I have driven the 9th gen as well, in my opinion its hard to compare really. The previous model was not too bad to drive, the suspension of both are equally good for pakistan roads. the acceleration of both is satisfactory, not the best but enough for local driving. I haven't driven either of them on long routes so i wouldn't be the best person to ask about that. Other than that, the 10 gen feels bulkier when driven as compared to the previous model, but when you put your foot down you realize the feeling was not completely correct. The gear changes are not very smooth in either of the two, personally i never like the gear changes of these corollas, honda provides much better, effortless gear changes. the bulid quality is pathetic both feel like cheap plastic, however it is still better than the new civic in the long run. personally i would have never bought a local manufactured car, it is possible to get something much better in the same price range, but due to the security situation, and easy maintenance, and the fact that i won't be around the whole year, made this the best choice for me.

at this point in time considering all the factors that affect a buyers opinion in a city like karachi, the ecotec is the best option to go for.

thanks a lot for ur kind reply sir..means a lot...i have tried to contact few other users and one of them said that the injectors have a very peculiar tik tik tik sound, speciallly when the car is idling, like stopped on a red lite or something...he says that the sound is so much that it seems like the engine is like decades old, and when the car starts moving, then offcourse u cant hear it...have u experienced anything of such sort in ur car ?

[OptimusSS]

thanks a lot for ur kind reply sir..means a lot...i have tried to contact few other users and one of them said that the injectors have a very peculiar tik tik tik sound, speciallly when the car is idling, like stopped on a red lite or something...he says that the sound is so much that it seems like the engine is like decades old, and when the car starts moving, then offcourse u cant hear it...have u experienced anything of such sort in ur car ?

yes the sound is audible, but its not as high as to be uncomfortable.

[Ehsan4808]

^^ when you are outside the car, Only then you feel the Tik Tik Tik..Just like you are leaving from any of your friends / family house and few ppl are out to see you off. They usually complaint for the sound . Factors Involved = Car is parked inside the main gate in the porch. Sound rebounds or the Car is parked in a silent lane where there is no traffic... Whereas at the traffic lights there is already much noise of cars passing by, bikes , rickshaws so its not that disturbing.. The only thing i dont like about my ecotech is that sound..

@ Waleed. Yesterday i went to Gujraanwala from Lahore. The A/C was switched on but it was controlled manually i.e A/c Button made On & Off as now its cold outside and with kids in car you cannot let it completely turned on. One full cylinder gave me milage of 169 Kms. Speed variation according to Time wise Calculation = It was driven 80% @ 100 - 110 Km/hr 15 % @ 120 -125 and 5 % @ 145Km/hr

[waleed80]

^^ when you are outside the car, Only then you feel the Tik Tik Tik..Just like you are leaving from any of your friends / family house and few ppl are out to see you off. They usually complaint for the sound . Factors Involved = Car is parked inside the main gate in the porch. Sound rebounds or the Car is parked in a silent lane where there is no traffic... Whereas at the traffic lights there is already much noise of cars passing by, bikes , rickshaws so its not that disturbing.. The only thing i dont like about my ecotech is that sound..

@ Waleed. Yesterday i went to Gujraanwala from Lahore. The A/C was switched on but it was controlled manually i.e A/c Button made On & Off as now its cold outside and with kids in car you cannot let it completely turned on. One full cylinder gave me milage of 169 Kms. Speed variation according to Time wise Calculation = It was driven 80% @ 100 - 110 Km/hr 15 % @ 120 -125 and 5 % @ 145Km/hr

thankx a lot for the kind reply...means a lot........u can also have a look at another user feedback from whom i asked the same thing

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/members-member-rides/178945-my-brand-new-xli-ecotec-rolled-into-my-life-7
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Well Guys Tkx for waiting to Performance fuel average reviews from my side.

Well I drove its first 1000 KM on petrol & it gave me 14.5 KM/L on local within ISB with speed of 70-80 KM/H normally. (Without AC)

And I drove it for Motorway from ISB to Faisalabad and it gave me 18.6 KM/L with the speed of 90-100 KM/H all the way.(Occasionally AC ON)

On CNG it Gave 190 Km in one cylinder, with mostly on Highways about 15-20 Km of this was on local, some stops & restarts. With average speed of 90-100 KM/H.
On Motorway I guess If it is driven non-stop or on highways non-stop it will give 200 +

As far as pick & acceleration is concerned their is no difference its as good as on petrol as per my experience.

No I am using within ISB and will let u know how much it did in on cylinder within ISB.
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[mkkd]

thanks a lot for ur kind reply sir..means a lot...i have tried to contact few other users and one of them said that the injectors have a very peculiar tik tik tik sound, speciallly when the car is idling, like stopped on a red lite or something...he says that the sound is so much that it seems like the engine is like decades old, and when the car starts moving, then offcourse u cant hear it...have u experienced anything of such sort in ur car ?

Dear, this tik tik sound is due to the magnet push/pull in injectors which opens as per requirement thus increasing fuel efficiency. And to me its OK.

[ussi]

bhai how much did you pay for the wooden trim?does it stick on the silver one or it is replaced with it?

[asimm76]

But my calculations says Gli manages 70-80 even 90 km, but to be safe lets say 80kms on 500rs of petrol, Cng is only gud if the car does 100+ in a full CNG tank other wise its better to run it on petrol.

Am too considering a GLI 1.3 OR GLI ECOTECH OR ALTIS M/T... can u suggest me the fuel economy on them

As per ur calculation, the GLI 1.3 gives about 14-15km/litre in city ?? right ?

[mkkd]

But my calculations says Gli manages 70-80 even 90 km, but to be safe lets say 80kms on 500rs of petrol, Cng is only gud if the car does 100+ in a full CNG tank other wise its better to run it on petrol.

Am too considering a GLI 1.3 OR GLI ECOTECH OR ALTIS M/T... can u suggest me the fuel economy on them

As per ur calculation, the GLI 1.3 gives about 14-15km/litre in city ?? right ?

My ride (https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/members-member-rides/188316-my-new-corolla-gli-ecotec-2012-a-3)has exceptional fuel economy
12-Apr-12 Experience:
Cylinder filled from Swabi Interchange. Then travelled to Islamabad, local commutation & then on way back to Peshawar near Mardan Cylinder depleted (covering 219km on full AC).

Refilled cylinder with 9.45kgs.
i.e., Average= 219/9.45 = 23.174km/kg
or else (86.75*9.45)/ 219= Rs. 3.743/km