Honda City Fan Club

[ahmadbila]

btw, i ve already put the console respray and mama jee's latest DIY thread link in the main post

with summers just around the corner, a/c service jobs are gonna be "in" for quite a while.. so i just put the link of my "quick a/c service" thread in the main post too... though its a controversial method of doing it but it worked for me every time, which is 4 or 5 i guess...

[ahmadbila]

My uncle's 2005 City idsi... this is by far THE worst maintained idsi i ve ever seen i'll post detailed pictures of it in the morning and you guys will feel like crying rivers
for example, in just 15 seconds it took me to park it into my garage, i noticed that the radiator fan is direct (this harms the engine) , the car starts directly on CNG (not on petrol as mine) and that engine sounds like alto's engine revved to 3000 with A/c switched with 5 passengers trying to climb murree hills

and the funny thing is, the owner is an army officer, serving as colonel and i thought its a plus point in car ads when it says "maintained by army officer"

[waleed80]

aoa. guys i m officially a member of this club now as i have booked new ivtec whose delivery i wud be getting soon enough InshAlllah...the question here i wanna ask is that the city abroad has turn indicators on its side view mirrors. any idea from where i can get them in pakistan and how much wud they cost. i have sources in UK as well, so if someone can guide me from where in uk i can get them, i wud be thankful. regards

[ahmadbila]

aoa. guys i m officially a member of this club now as i have booked new ivtec whose delivery i wud be getting soon enough InshAlllah...the question here i wanna ask is that the city abroad has turn indicators on its side view mirrors. any idea from where i can get them in pakistan and how much wud they cost. i have sources in UK as well, so if someone can guide me from where in uk i can get them, i wud be thankful. regards

Congratulations sir glad to have u here...
for side view mirror indicator, u can get it from any Honda parts dealer in UK or for a cheaper price, try some junk yard, may be u ll get lucky...

[ahmadbila]

My uncle's 2005 City idsi... this is by far THE worst maintained idsi i ve ever seen i'll post detailed pictures of it in the morning and you guys will feel like crying rivers
for example, in just 15 seconds it took me to park it into my garage, i noticed that the radiator fan is direct (this harms the engine) , the car starts directly on CNG (not on petrol as mine) and that engine sounds like alto's engine revved to 3000 with A/c switched with 5 passengers trying to climb murree hills

and the funny thing is, the owner is an army officer, serving as colonel and i thought its a plus point in car ads when it says "maintained by army officer"

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[fahadwizz]

ooo... that is bad..ive seen bank auction cars in better condition.

[Skt_Z4]

Thanks for the compliments sir , my pleasure

and yes, try bilal ganj and do update us if u get something for ur car...

OK! Sir I'll Update ASAP when i get the the light !

[ahmadbila]

Rain turned my car into a mess it was super clean until today morning... will get it serviced tomorrow morning as i have to leave for kalar kahar tomorrow

got engine oil changed too...

[fawadakbarkhan]

@ahmad bhai, Oh good lord!!! 255k, This condition and this IDSi is still running.... I must say, urs and mine are gonna last till 1000k very easily.

BTW how on earth does that city start on cng directly?? EFI cars can never use a manual kit? Is its fuel system totally changed???

And 1451 looks like a young princess beside that grandma.

[fawadakbarkhan]

Rain turned my car into a mess it was super clean until today morning... will get it serviced tomorrow morning as i have to leave for kalar kahar tomorrow

got engine oil changed too...

Great. Getting prepared for a long drive. BTW which route u'll use for the trip?

Pail Padhraar? Or Salum Interchange and so on??

As for ur car, Trust me, Urs looks much better than mine after the rain...

[ahmadbila]

@ahmad bhai, Oh good lord!!! 255k, This condition and this IDSi is still running.... I must say, urs and mine are gonna last till 1000k very easily.

BTW how on earth does that city start on cng directly?? EFI cars can never use a manual kit? Is its fuel system totally changed???

And 1451 looks like a young princess beside that grandma.

yaarrr the amazing fact is that this car is still running on sealed (not overhauled) engine... though it may require an overhaul job any seconds now sound of engine is too bad... its a very badly maintained and abused car... but still GOING...
and as for starting on cng, any EFI car can start on CNG, u can start urs on CNG too just be a small hot wiring thing... but it would take like 5 seconds of self for the engine to come to life... i think the emulator in a cng kit is there for this job, remove the emulator and u can start directly on CNG... but it is good for the engine at all...

and yar i ll be using sargodha-salim-kalarkahar or bhera route... pail padhrar is also fine but thats shorter for u, for me, the above route is more suitable... though i ve used the other one too...

[fawadakbarkhan]

yaarrr the amazing fact is that this car is still running on sealed (not overhauled) engine... though it may require an overhaul job any seconds now sound of engine is too bad... its a very badly maintained and abused car... but still GOING...
and as for starting on cng, any EFI car can start on CNG, u can start urs on CNG too just be a small hot wiring thing... but it would take like 5 seconds of self for the engine to come to life... i think the emulator in a cng kit is there for this job, remove the emulator and u can start directly on CNG... but it is good for the engine at all...

and yar i ll be using sargodha-salim-kalarkahar or bhera route... pail padhrar is also fine but thats shorter for u, for me, the above route is more suitable... though i ve used the other one too...

Hmmm... Then I must say, these engines usually last a lifetime if not abused. And I also lost the Little IDSI strip from my engine cover. Anyway to have it back or I mean having a self made one?

As for CNG, why waste ur awesome engine for 5 drops of petrol? I usually let the car warm up before converting it on CNG. And never drive it for about 5 mins after the blue light goes off.. Cz even after the light goes off, the car seems a bit heavy. I just let it warm up and it feels light as a feather.

BTW, i did a small DIY and got my parts for the car, Gonna post pics very very soon.

[fawadakbarkhan]

Well, today was supposed to be detailing sunday, but as we know that

Cloudy skies + bird !@*%s = cars

Therefore, I decided to open up both of the rear door panels and wash them up. My car is used for taking bacha loag to school so they were real dirty. I used simple Surf excel with a soft bathe brush to clean.

After they dried up, I treated them with STP.

Before: :o

After: (H)

And Now, I got the Gear foundation, the one on the left side of the gears was gone. And the generator belt, aka fan belt (though not connected to the fan in any way like older engines).

Foundation cost Rs 1650 and the belt cost Rs 450.

As it was friday so my mamoon couldn't get the cam chain. Will get it next time inshAllah.

[ahmadbila]

Hmmm... Then I must say, these engines usually last a lifetime if not abused. And I also lost the Little IDSI strip from my engine cover. Anyway to have it back or I mean having a self made one?

As for CNG, why waste ur awesome engine for 5 drops of petrol? I usually let the car warm up before converting it on CNG. And never drive it for about 5 mins after the blue light goes off.. Cz even after the light goes off, the car seems a bit heavy. I just let it warm up and it feels light as a feather.

BTW, i did a small DIY and got my parts for the car, Gonna post pics very very soon.

yeah they really will last a very long time if maintainence schedule is followed carefully AND the cars are driven on petrol... we all know CNG harms an engine in the long run, so an engine dying at 300,000kms on CNG wud probably live past 500,000kms... and this is TOOOOO much... one of my friend's 88 civic had original 430,000kms... 1988!!! if an engine lives for that long, its an engineering masterpiece!!!
yar i ve never seen that strip for sale anywhere.i take extra care of it. almost every time i open the engine i check if its loose , and if it is, i take it off and fix it back again using magic glue... thats why its still there go bilal ganj-ing or sultan ka khuu-ing some day or just try ur Honda stealership, they might get u one for "12,949 RS" or so... huh...

thats a good thing that u do, warming up on petrol... i also do it every time i start my car... the initial few seconds are very critical speacially in winters. the oil inside the engine is almost as dense as honey and it wont climb up due to gravity... thats why u need a thinner oil for winters... but u know, this colonel uncle of mine wont agree... once i asked him why do u abuse ur car so badly? n guess wat was the reply "mai iska khayal nai rakhta, phir b chal rhi hy, tum apni gari ka khayal rakhtay ho,wo b chal rhi hy... tou dono mai fark kia hy?" and i was like.... AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH.... :@

waiting to see pictures of the parts u bought and the DIY too

[ahmadbila]

Well, today was supposed to be detailing sunday, but as we know that

Cloudy skies + bird !@*%s = cars

Therefore, I decided to open up both of the rear door panels and wash them up. My car is used for taking bacha loag to school so they were real dirty. I used simple Surf excel with a soft bathe brush to clean.

After they dried up, I treated them with STP.

Before: :o

After: (H)

And Now, I got the Gear foundation, the one on the left side of the gears was gone. And the generator belt, aka fan belt (though not connected to the fan in any way like older engines).

Foundation cost Rs 1650 and the belt cost Rs 450.

As it was friday so my mamoon couldn't get the cam chain. Will get it next time inshAllah.

Oh ho ho ho... zabardust yaaaarr.... job well done!! there is a LOT of difference between before and after... this is one DIY that my car also needs badly but i dont wanna give it to it due to the light color or the upholstry what STP product did u use? man i ve never heard much about STP but you re forcing me towards them!!
and yar i also need exactly the SAME foundation that u got... but u said left... with the bonnet open, u facing the engine, this mount is just to the right of the gearbox, isnt it? thats what i need to... lets see when i can get it.. did u check the other 3 mounts of ur car? are they fine? due to this mount being almost torn apart, my car gives jerk when setting off from start and its really annoying :@ im gonna get it asap... also gonna get 2 new shock absorbers... front...
and oh, the rain made my fan belt squeal too

[waleed80]

how is the AC of new city ? how wud u guys rate it in comparison to that of idsi...secondly, i test drove one of the new cities a week ago and i experienced a sudden lack of power when the gear is changed at high rev near red line. wat can be the reason ? i mean, keh car achanak beth jaatee hey for a second or so and then accelerates if the gear is changed at high rpm in the previous gear.

[waleed80]

and yeah another thing...the accelerator was pretty hard as compared to taht of my platz which i currently own. do u guys experience the same or was there something wrong with that car only

[ahmadbila]

@waleed80
eeemmm.... i dont know why there are soooo many complaints about the acceleration of new city while many, many people report having excellent performance with their cars... i ve driven a few new citys and all of them fly off like anything... the only thing common in all of them was lack of power below 2000 RPM, as soon as it crossed 2000 RPM, a sudden burst of power is felt...
anyways, it can be anything...a badly tuned car, low tire pressure or just a badly tuned throttle... do u know, the new city has an electronic throttle? a.k.a Drive by wire throttle system... there is no cable for it. there is a sensor that determines how much u are pressing the pedal and gives command to the engine accordingly. now this thing does improves engine response but im not a big fan of it, the reason is that it takes away that FEEL of being in control of everything, ur race pedal is just a lever resting on a spring, nothing to feel there... this is also one reason why people might sometimes complain about the response of the engine... and oh, every time the throttle body is serviced, this throttle system needs to be re callibrated using some softwares... if not done properly, this can also cause issues... so , rest assured that not every city has a fault, the one u drove must have some issues going on with it...

that "baith jana" might also be due to getting out of the Vtec kicking in range... and the hard pedal due to the above mentioned design of the race pedal...

[waleed80]

hhmm...i kinda agree..i also thought that it mite be cause of the DBW thingy....the 1.8 altis (pre face lift) also behaves the same way on high rpms. anyways, lets see which one do i get and does it have lag or not. i m basically a family person and drive slow and steady but was just wondering to ask if there is any problem as such or not. u dint tell me the AC performance of new city in comparison to the corollla

[qwertypoiu]

Well if you dont drive fast i would suggest you corolla gli its best. I would all it an all rounder.
Best on motorway and on broken dirty roads. I have driven new city and gli both.

Pro's of city its epic fast comparing to gli
Drove auto city took it till 170 in dha phase 8 hard braking etc superb ride on the other hand at the same place i could only manage 150 no corolla.

Cons only one is if the road is bumpy bad etc city sucks big time.

Corolla. If you drive normally its all rounder. If you drive fast it avg.

Well if i have choice i would buy corolla over city because i have to go to village and corolla win's there. If there is no village and out of city driving then honda city win's.

But then if i am talking about city i will buy some corolla axio because jdm buit ride is something else cant be compared with local rides.