Honda City Fan Club

[waleed80]

Ok this might be quite belated but here are my honda city 2012 MT with navigation pictures. PLEASE DO SAY MASHALLAH!!!

Will post my 2004 Idsi pictures tommorow.

Having its first wash.

Navigation in action.

Getting its Tires changes.Dunlop Sp 300 185 65 R15

The beautiful Odometer.

congrats on ur purchase, but if u want to keep ur hard earned money car in a better shape, let this be the last time u got it washed from somewhere who know NOTHING about car detailing. two to three more visits to these guys or to service station and u wud end up with horrible swirls all over ur car use MF to wash the car and separate MFs for cleaning and waxing. use good quality shampoo and keep the clay bar kit handy to remove the spots which dont go away with wax and wash. if u need more details, though i m not at all a detailing expert, i wud be glad to be of help. drive safe, dont go fortracker, and get the car insured
have fun

[ahmadbila]

for how much is the havoline formula and what is its rating ? and do u grade it better than the fully synthetic Honda genuine oil which they are offering at their dealership ?

havoline formula is 10w30. well, i wud rather not compare synthetic with mineral oil but i'd definately tell u that people who have used honda synthetic oil are not quite satisfied. havoline formula is the safest bet. im not sure about the price, i think 4ltr pack was around 1800rs or so... not sure at all...

[waleed80]

havoline formula is 10w30. well, i wud rather not compare synthetic with mineral oil but i'd definately tell u that people who have used honda synthetic oil are not quite satisfied. havoline formula is the safest bet. im not sure about the price, i think 4ltr pack was around 1800rs or so... not sure at all...

thanks for the reply. the only problem in our country is that how to trust someone. i mean, in synthetics, u can somehow find and importer who wud be selling the original thing, but here the local products like Havoline Formula (i think its of caltex, right???) can have one thousand variations...even the pump guys themselves can be corrupt and selling the wrong stuff to the customers. that is the only concern i have. if u see from that aspect, i have been using Petromin Ultra 7 from @storm (sameer bhai) since last 3 years in my platz, and m very very satsfied with that oil as well ( i m forgetting the rating). one of the major reasons i shifted to Petromin was cause sameer bhai was importing the oil from Saudia himself , so i could "trust" someone selling genuine oil

[ahmadbila]

Thank you brother and thanks for the guide...
One another thing that I would like to clear is that the car is installed with CNG so whenever the car is running on CNG the orange engine light turns on after some time while when it is on petrol the light doesnot turn on and it runs ok. I asked the person from whom I got he said that its just only because CNG is installed and the sensors in it read it as malfunction so no need to worry about it.

But personally that light annoys me too much and whenever it turns on i feel discomfortable so what you think that whether the above reason said is true or should I get it checked.
and secondly does these engines run well on CNG because on my suzuki cultus I never had any problem with CNG on it. But I have heard from some guys that CNG doesnot suit these cars so what is your suggestion about it...

well, the Check engine light DOES show up on cng more frequently then on petrol. mostly its due to the oxygen sensor error. nothing to worry about at all IF you car has been tuned well. i.e. plugs, air filter, tappets etc all are done. simply ignore the error.
and yes these engines run excellent on cng. u may not know but i have a 2006 city idsi manual on cng , the mileage is 239,000kms and the engine is going great! but i do maintain it properly , according to the schedule in the main post of this thread.

[ahmadbila]

thanks for the reply. the only problem in our country is that how to trust someone. i mean, in synthetics, u can somehow find and importer who wud be selling the original thing, but here the local products like Havoline Formula (i think its of caltex, right???) can have one thousand variations...even the pump guys themselves can be corrupt and selling the wrong stuff to the customers. that is the only concern i have. if u see from that aspect, i have been using Petromin Ultra 7 from @storm (sameer bhai) since last 3 years in my platz, and m very very satsfied with that oil as well ( i m forgetting the rating). one of the major reasons i shifted to Petromin was cause sameer bhai was importing the oil from Saudia himself , so i could "trust" someone selling genuine oil

i totally forgot to mention on the thread that i also switched to petromin ultra7 on the last oil change. i went to my oil change guy and he said sir jee yeh naya oil aya hy, is bar check karain, i said dont tell me about it, i know better then u so i said ok gimme petromin this time. n im liking it so far.

the problem you are referring to is really a big one. theres a lot of counterfeit oil in the market. the best approach is to find an old, well reputed engine oil change shop and then always go to them for oil change. for the past 4 years, i go to the same oil change guy. its hard to find an honest one but there are always a few in every city.

theres another way too, u can locate a havoline agency n buy directly from them. u ll also get huge savings. because if u buy 3 packs (or 4 i guess) u get one pack free. thats a REAL profit for the oil change shops. if u buy 3-4 packs at once, u can also get one pack free. u ll have original oil and at very less compound rate...

EDIT:- Petromin ultra 7 is rated 20w50

[ahmadbila]

@faisalirshad

CEL on turns up in cng vehicle when there is something wrong with advancer setup, there are two possibilities that comes to my mind, first which i have lil doubt that you have it is the wrong hook up of grips on the fuel injectors, the regular wiring grips are removed from injectors and looped through the advancer, if the sequence is not right CEL will be up, but what i have experienced in this scenario CEL is even up on petrol, second thing that needs consideration is the jumper between MAP and advancer unit. have your machine checked and let us all know the problem as it might be helpful or us too.

Paa jee, dont u think that in this case, the car will do severe missing on petrol? as wrong cylinders will get fuel at wrong time?

[ahmadbila]

Thanks for the guide brother. will surely get it checked now...

if ur car is well tuned, air filter n plugs etc are new or have not completed their age, try reseting the ECU by disconnecting the battery wires for 20-30mins. this will remove any error codes stored in the ECU and if nothing is wrong with the car, the light wont show up.

sometimes, when some error shows up once and the problem is even solved, the error stays in the ECU and might show up without any new error being identified. so, get he ecu reset, if the light still comes up, then certainly theres a slight issue in the tuning or sumthing. if ur car is working fine, u may chose to ignore it.... otherwise, get it to some mechanic.

[ahmadbila]

does city have a clutch cable?

No! it has hydrolic clutch. in idsi and ivtec. im not sure about the 1997-2003 model.

[ahmadbila]

@arhum
congrats buddy. mashallah looking very nice get a few polishes n waxes for its skin now... and yes do post pix of the tires n let us know ur comments about the car and tires too.

[ahmadbila]

lemme have the opportunity to answer your query, first one hai na yeh wale
acha very simple buddy, do the following stuff,
open the bonnet
locate the transmisson
locate the clutch actuation arm, or whatever its called i dont know
now see if it has cable attached to it or a master cylinder sorta thing is next to it
if it has cable then its cable clutch if it is a master cylinder sorta thing then ur clutch is hydraulic
simple as that, doing so you will learn about your new machine too
and if you dont wanna know, scroll thru the owner manual and you will know

have a nice and problem free stay at city fan club,

all the best wishes for my bro

Paa jee, waah jee
excellent reply! thats the best way, i always like to encourage people to learn more about their cars following this approach. most of the things that i know about mine also came from panga's like these

[faisalirshad]

well, the Check engine light DOES show up on cng more frequently then on petrol. mostly its due to the oxygen sensor error. nothing to worry about at all IF you car has been tuned well. i.e. plugs, air filter, tappets etc all are done. simply ignore the error.
and yes these engines run excellent on cng. u may not know but i have a 2006 city idsi manual on cng , the mileage is 239,000kms and the engine is going great! but i do maintain it properly , according to the schedule in the main post of this thread.

Waooo thats some serious mileage being a 2006...
Between I m going to get it overall check up on weekend and also get it tuned, although the car is running pretty fine but just being on the safe side and for personal satisfaction that everything is ok...
and yes u r rite bro if car gets maintained timely it always keep going good...

[ahmadbila]

There is small confusion I also have. In the engine compartment there are two fluid bottles place together. One is a bigger and other is just a small one. Now what i read on both the bottle caps that it is of brake fluid which says use only dot 3 or dot 4... but why would there be two brake fluids bottle in it? why not use single or whether these two bottles are different actually? Because what I am wondering kay when u say the clutch is hydraulic tu kahein aisa tu nahi hai kay one is for clutch and other is for brake and I am mixing both, but then why on the caps only brake fluid is written on both of them...

you are right. one on the left (if u are standing in front of the car, facing the engine) , the larger one is brake fluid bottle n the smaller, more cylindrical one on the right is the one for clutch operation. they both use the same oil, because they both do the same type of job.

[ahmadbila]

talking about the plastic sheet below engine. i ve never understood whats the purpose of it. water, small pebbles, mud , dust etc wont do ANYTHING to the engine. no harm at all. the engines is made out of very hard material. the oil pan of the idsi is made of silver. which i broke when i hit my car on a brick at 120km/h. the hit ripped of the lower area of bumper and the engine shield, so i really dont know wats that for. though i still recommend it to people and have it on my car too as it looks good an may be, MAY BE it has some use... once again, personal opinion...

[faisalirshad]

you are right. one on the left (if u are standing in front of the car, facing the engine) , the larger one is brake fluid bottle n the smaller, more cylindrical one on the right is the one for clutch operation. they both use the same oil, because they both do the same type of job.

Thanks so much brother once again... U solved my confusions and concerns too that I had in mind...

[arhum1994]

@everyone thanks for the suggestion and the feedback.

Now i havent driven the car alot because my brother took it to Sadiqabad with him.Will be coming back on Eid Inshallah so will post more detailed pics then.

Now as far as car is concerned i loved its acceleration far better than the previous Idsl. Also really like the driving position and the seats. Cant really say much about tyres as havent spent too much time in the car altogether.

yeah that WILL be the first time the car got serviced from these guys.Once it arrives will do some deatailing on it.

Also there is one more concern for me.When i got the car the guy just screwed the aerial onto the car.Now isnt it quite simple for the theives to take the aerial with them. What do you guys think?

[waleed80]

@everyone thanks for the suggestion and the feedback.

Also there is one more concern for me.When i got the car the guy just screwed the aerial onto the car.Now isnt it quite simple for the theives to take the aerial with them. What do you guys think?

yea...and it does get stolen pretty often. when i was delivered with the car, honda guys told me to take it off everytime i get off the car if the car is parked in some market or in in some insecure area...lol...btw it costs 500 from honda guys, i think

[noone]

@arhum1994, @waleed80
Thank you for the details on cabin filter and engine protecting sheet. I assume the approx cost of rs 2000 for installing those is applicable if I get this done by Honda. I'm planning to do it upon first checkup at 1,000km. Right now I'm just at 700km mark.

Its super strange that in a poor country like Pakistan... cars are much more expensive than the other countries. And, when we get into the details, companies are still saving money by skipping important items from the car.

[ahmadbila]

@arhum1994, @waleed80
Thank you for the details on cabin filter and engine protecting sheet. I assume the approx cost of rs 2000 for installing those is applicable if I get this done by Honda. I'm planning to do it upon first checkup at 1,000km. Right now I'm just at 700km mark.

Its super strange that in a poor country like Pakistan... cars are much more expensive than the other countries. And, when we get into the details, companies are still saving money by skipping important items from the car.

but the funny this is, they're STILL bearing loss for a long time...

[mahmood]

Paa jee, dont u think that in this case, the car will do severe missing on petrol? as wrong cylinders will get fuel at wrong time?

no need to think, definitely fuel will be injected into wrong cylinder at wrong time. now listen to this story of three cylinder car, its a chevy classic 2005 i guess, a year can be up or down, owned by immediate neighbor and ex-boss, purchased second hand with CEL ON and rear wheel hubs running hard, only thing bad other than that was it took long cranks to start, at purchase time ok chalta hai yaar. when it came to get things sorted after couple of months culprit for CEL was found to be wrong sequence of injector grips, result CEL which was permanently ON was gone, ( this was the reason i said that i doubt little that this is the case with poster ) and increase in engine power.

now lets sum up, fuel going at bad time, and definitely burning on wrong stroke, if it ever got burned, we really dont know as car shifts to gas immediately after start, but i think it did get burnt and supplemented lil bit to the other cylinder as what ever we drove the car on petrol it did run but later only after correcting sequence we came to know that earlier engine was under powered, now this was a three cylinder engine, now implement same on a four cylinder engine !!! any ways i know it sounds crazy but thats what happened or perhaps ahmed bhai under take an experiment and let us know

[mahmood]

No! it has hydrolic clutch. in idsi and ivtec. im not sure about the 1997-2003 model.

from 1997 - 2003 its cable clutch