Honda Civic 2009 Pulling to Left

[jatt.zaildar]

AoA.
Back with same Old Question..
..
My Civic 2009 is going to left for 3 years....
For going straight on level road, need to apply force to keep steering straight. Otherwise with straight steering, it keep turning in a left-circle (car TURNS, doesnt move diagonally) and change lane within 30 meters @ 50, 60 km/hr speed (behavior same at high speed but take slightly longer to change lane)
..
1. Same behavior on Genuine (Company fitted) and kabuli steering.
2. The Tie arms, control arms, ball joints and other parts were twice changed.
3. Shock Mounts and NEW Struts changed TODAY by/from Honda Classic and behaviour didnt change (same before n after - slightly lessend) (all 4 struts - front back)....
.
**Right spring is of Rebirth (strut of reborn), because couldnt find reborn spring at that time (so this is temporary).
4. 4 Wheel Alignment done by Honda Today after suspension work.
5. Tires changed 1 month ago.
..
So what do I need to do now? What parameters/parts I should check?
.. The wear pattern on previous tyres was totally fine (equally worn).
P.S. This is not related to road inclination. Have driven plenty of cars to know NONE of them do the same (neither did she years ago...

Here from "Ask Xulfiqar" thread...
Need to keep steering wheel turned right by some degrees (10+ deg) to keep the car straight.
With straight steering, the car keep turning to left..

[Xulfiqar]

Get it aligned! . And make sure your alignment guy knows what alignment means,

And dont confuse the left drift to a hard pull to left.

[jatt.zaildar]

Assalamo alaikum..
It is a hard pull, not left drift...
The computer of Honda guys was showing some issue (0.25 deg with wheel sign). THe boy there was very cooperative and himself asked me about the issue (left pull)..
After he was done the computer was displaying 0 degree + green..
..

[Xulfiqar]

Did he try to cancel out the caster somehow?

Your car also may have a wrongly installed steering shaft pinch, its very common when mechanics dont use markers to mark where the shaft is coupled to.

[jatt.zaildar]

He tried doing something. InshaALLAH tomorrow will go there again...
Lekin the problem started on stock steering (the car was not touched by any mechanic till then except for oil changes) around 90,000 km...
..
Khair tomorrow will check the spring rates of both sides and will get alignment checked..
Bohat bohat shukria..
Will update.

[Xulfiqar]

your control arm bushings maybe shot, causing the pull - dont align the car if the bushings are bad, its a fools exercise that way.

[pwuser165176643628]

What happens when you align it if bushings r bad?

[helper_learner]

Nothing that's the problem

[Xulfiqar]

have you heard the saying of how to clean a well if a dog drowned in it?

[pwuser165176643628]

No, please do enlighten us

[arslan.v8]

Mine does that too, it's a hard pull to the left at speeds under 80kph and not a drift. The pull decreases as speed increases. After 3 alignments from different shops, wheel rotation, brand new suspension components (struts, ball joints, rack ends, etc) all round, it still does that. Now I think it's something with the steering. Also, did not do bushes as one suspension shop said they were fine.

[Xulfiqar]

The saying is “root the problem first”

The story of the dog and well goes such,

A small village well got smelly after a dog drowned in it, a wise man from a nearby larger village was contacted and he said to drain 30 buckets of water 3 times in a day and the water will clear up.

The village did that, but to no avail, they approached the wise man again, the wise man asked if they removed the dead dog first?

So for your car

Aligning it with bad bushings will be similar to above, you will never get a repair done, the alignment will be thrown off immediately when the car rolls on a sloping road.

[dayrider]

What was Hondas diagnosis as why is this still happening

[jatt.zaildar]

no diagnosis.. They took the car for check ride and said alignment will take care of this. The roads around were such that this issue wasnt observed..
After alignment they closed... ..
So...

[dayrider]

Did the alignment fellow explain why this is happening? Because it is his job to correct it. Did he check the caliper alignment? Or did you just ask him to straighten the steering

[jatt.zaildar]

i have checked 3-4 renowned Alignment-fellows in Islamabad. They have checked and rechecked the alignment and found nothing wrong.
The Honda was at closing time so they delievered the car and the workers were gone by then..
Will change the rebirth spring tomorrow and will ask them to re-check it.
But I dont think this is related to alignment (as its been done again and again and again)...
Any other thing Apart from alignment/ball-joints/ etc?
Strut bar bushings seem to be fine but is there anything I am missing ??? (i am not very knowledgable about suspensions)

[helper_learner]

Alignment-fellows in Islamabad

Visit @dani_kk

[dayrider]

Take an inch tape and measure the height of the car for each four wheels. Spring doesn't matter what it's from, it's old, has to be the correct height and has to fit properly. Get your caliper alignment check, it has to be on factory settings, some people love to mess with it so car doesn't drift on the motorway

[jatt.zaildar]

update. Didnt check by inchi tape. But went to Honda again.
They asked me if the car is pulling to left and need right-force to go straight? I said yes..
They told me the alignment was off by 25degree (dont know what that means)..
For first 10 meters (exiting the dealership) the car felt finer (very minute left-ward pull) and after 15 meters the behaviour was same.

[dayrider]

Go back to them, your alignment screw has diminished thread, it loses its place, ask them to replace or repair it.