Honda vs Toyota and Why?

[tauseen123]

Making Engines in collaboration is a different thing; But what I read here is something different..

iTs about the Not So Old 2ZZ-GE, 1.8L VVTL-i Block.

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_ZZ_engine#2ZZ

(continuation)........... Toyota commissioned Yamaha to design the 2ZZ-GE, and it shares several similarities with street bike engines, the most notable being the relatively high RPM design. The high-output cam profile is not activated until above 6000 RPM (the exact point of engagement is different depending on the vehicle, year, and ECU involved). On all of the Toyota-built vehicles, redline begins at 8200 RPM while the tachometer is typically numbered to 9000, giving an incredibly small "unusable" range. The Toyota ECU electronically limits RPM to about 8200 (through fuel and/or spark cut). It is impossible to "over-rev" the engine with the throttle alone; a downshift from a higher gear is required. But if you manage to do it, the oil pump commonly disintegrates the lobe ring............................(continued)

I do not think that any one should hold the right to reject the Fact that Honda is the Best Engine Maker.
Again; Facts are Facts!

REALiTY DOES BiTE!: (6)

[NYsBadBoy]

HONDA AND ONLY HONDA
IN NOT ONLY ENGINES BUT ALSO IN BODY SHAPES AS WELL....................1000% GOOD LOOKING

[TireShredder]

HONDA

I say that because i commute 150 km everyday to work and back. Economicaly Toyota rulz. But i we keep economics aside, Honda is lights years ahead. These days I am driving a Corolla SS and by the end of the day I don't feel like looking at the car, I am so dead tired. On the other hand, I had a VTi until 18 months back. I was always eager to find an excuse to take it out for a spin, even after a hectic day at work. Its more INVITING than a Toyota. Infact a Corolla is downright depressing. I have frequently tested the limits of a rolla, Civic used to test mine.
I would say that if your idea of driving is getting from point A to B, then go for a rolla. On the other hand if you want your ride to match your attitude and become one with you and your idea of driving is, "LIVIN IT" then Civic should be your life partner.

[Cylestyne]

Nicely put!

[palaykhan]

How come everytime you see a war torn country, a natural disaster aftermath (Read: Afghanistan) you always see a huge number of people/gangsters/rebels/thugs speeding somewhere on a pickup and it always say TOYOTA at the tailgate.
@FLI lol . UR 100% right about it all they say is TOYOTA and if u asy honda lolz they say those r for ladys LOLZ!!!

[FLi_GTi]

Very thouching, heartwarming even!
Sales statistics anyone? How about the Fortune500?
Better still, how about someone actually present an opinion who's actually driven a Toyota OTHER than the current model? No?
45000 Civic hybrid recalls? (Hows that for "light years ahead?")
Another 70,000 minivan recalls? (Warp speed even)
Customer retention? Plant Capacity? F1? WRC? JGTC? Toyota runs circles around Honda anyday and the quicker you blokes accept that, the sooner you can all go to appreciating better things in life.
Honda's made some marvellous machines, but boo-bloody-hoo, the Civic ISN'T one of them. Just because its got two cams with blue valve cover and sound like the ducks' guts doesn't mean its a hit!!. Its rocks your jocks, good on ya! There's people that thought the ford Pinto looked good and there's People who went out and bought the Chevy Nova or the Lada. You don't see other car clubs throwing poo bags at them. Point being, to each is own but its like saying Lambo's orettier than a Ferrari! They're both equally gorgeous, but its not everyday that they get the Murceilago or Gallardo!!!

[PavementPounder]

@fli_gti

Rock on brotha(Y)

[MrNiceGuy]

Honda Rocks.

[gem_guy]

@palaykhan and fli_gti...

Its no use questioning why the rebels dont use Hondas on war-torn terrain!...
What do u think they would possibly drive there?...
A CRX, Civic hybrid, or a prelude??

Oh yeah...i forgot..Honda got an "Aerosport" CRV |-)...But Taliban wont use that...They dont want electrical problems after every 300kms done!

Now these are facts that bite...(6)

[Cylestyne]

Here's an unbiased comparison of vtec and vvti:

http://www.billzilla.org/vvtvtec.htm

For the lesser educated of you, try going through the simple stuff the guy has mentioned, you'll realise vtec is far superior compared to the knock-off known as VVTi.

Lastly, Toyota has made some fantastic cars but Corolla ain't one of them.

[shiraz_kaka]

i really dont want to support toyota casuei m a die hard fan of honda bec of reasons explained above.. but i guess ppl are missign a point here .. yamaha is a sub divison of toyota nad not a seperate company jsut like scion lexus and daihatsu

[shani248]

http://www.billzilla.org/vvtvtec.htm

The weirdest thing about this bill sherwood guy is he's praising the vtec so much ! i mean he goes out to say....

&daposRight. Let's not muck around. For straight power output, the V-TEC system craps all over the VVT system.&dapos

I don't think this guy is biased or anything.. but turn to the page where he lists the cars he owns...

http://www.billzilla.org/mycars.htm

Try searching for a honda there ! a BIKE !! Almost all of the cars he's owned were toyotas ?? Man must HE be stupid to know SO much about vtecs and yet buy toyotas !

My point being vtec's technologically advanced. yeap.. Still there are alot of other reasons to buy toyotas.

Thanks for the reference dude. (y)

[Nfs_most_wanted]

I find this review on internet it looks like a unbiased view to me.others may differ

VTEC=Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control

VVTi=Variable Valve Timing Intelligent

VTEC from Honda is a cam lift system. A separate cam with higher profile is activited at a preset high rpm to open the valve wider. This enables the engine to take in more air/fuel mixture thus producing more power at higher rpms. More for power. Engine with this set is like 2 engine in 1.

VVTi from Toyota is cam phasing systems that varies the opening and closing timings of the valves at different rpms and engine conditions to optimise the burning of petrol. This setup is more for improving fuel efficiency.

Honda's VTEC has an edge in power. But Toyota's VVT-i (Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence) ensures useable power and torque are available over a wider spectrum of engine speed. It surely gives better Fuel Consumption but also deliver seamless output of hp at any given rpm.

Honda's VTEC second cam kicks in (kind of like the turbo lag effect) only at a preset rpm - before then, the engine's pretty dead. Ok, let says it is more suited for high speed driving on highways rather than city driving.

[Nfs_most_wanted]

Ward's Names ''Ten Best Engines'' Award Winners for 2007

Ward’s 10 Best Engines for 2007 (engine and tested vehicle) are:

Audi AG: 2L FSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3)

BMW AG: 3L DOHC I-6 (Z4 3.0si)

BMW AG: 3L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (335i)

DaimlerChrysler AG: 3L DOHC V-6 turbodiesel (Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec/Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD)

DaimlerChrysler AG: Hemi 5.7L OHV V-8 (Chrysler 300C)

Ford Motor Co.: Duratec 35 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Ford Edge/Lincoln/MKX)

Ford Motor Co.: 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang GT/Mustang Shelby GT)

Mazda Motor Corp.: 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4(Mazdaspeed3)

Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35)

Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)

[Cylestyne]

Oh, looks like Accord is rated #1 in reliability, followed by Toyota. Gee I wonder why Toyota didn't place at #1 ?

http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=1309892

Article's about 4 months old.

[Cylestyne]

Oh and what exactly is this??? Top 10 best valued cars, and Toyota not even on the list... what a shocker! I'm guessing they forgot about 20V

http://www.gayot.com/lifestyle/automobile/value_automobiles.html

[Cylestyne]

Oh my, it just goes on and on. And the first to place on the safest cars list is an Acura!

http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/iihs/index.html

And not even a mention of Toyota!!

[Cylestyne]

Lastly, lets take a look at the relaibility list. Yet again, Honda places first followed by Toyota.

http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/reliable/index.html

Conclusion: Honda=#1 always.

[shiraz_kaka]

hey cylestyne .. i must also add that in that reliability issue accord is no 1 and the civic is above the toyota .. hahah .. nd thats casue toyota cant make any of their own benchmark inventions casue they are too busy trying to plz prople with things that are not practicale at all .. and copying other manufauteres technology such as the v tec.. and if who ever is posing pro toyota might not believe this but he might need to use wikipedia nd see that vtec had been invented by hondaz chief engineer.. and he has also made another bechmark in diesel tehnologies which will be out soon .. ANY THING INVENTED BY TOYOTA ?? I DONT THINK SO ( EXCEPT FOR THOSE CRAPPY LEXUS STYLE HANDLES)hahahaha .. and still had so many recalls on their first batch of VVTi engine .. casue nakal kai liya bhi akal chaiay hoti hai .. bhaiyoon invention invention hoti baki sab tension hoti hai ... e.g s2000 being one of the worlds most best naturally aspirated engine in the world .. 1 million units were sold in abt there years time .. and that engine being the ultimate test of hondaz reliability ... NOT EVEN A SINGLEE .. NOT EVEN A SIGNLE CAR ENGINE HAD A SINGLE GLITCH .. Just as no matter wht car u drive .. but whne u drive the merc u know it has the best ABS breaks .. not bec they have more finances .. but only bec they were the inventers and pioneers of it ..

[CrashD]

honda one of the best engine catching up 2 toyota fast before was a pentioners car in u.k i mean now its a street racer car most tunned engine around the S2000 the best relaible car in sports cars fast and beauty in a price when u look at this u say yeah i got one and had quite a few love em like em its for me not for kids! honda doesnt do buses and serious 4x4 or vans and not meaning mini vans

toyta been here since ur grandad days and will be still here since ur a grandad but the question is do u wana keep it for tht long reliable as anyrthing will just go on and on will take a beating and thts any model its used everywhr hiace, hilux, landcruiser, the corolla thr everywhr why cause they are reliable wht u need for ur family to get u thr! but not fun sadly