Hydrogen Fuel Saving kit

[BackToCivicFaiez]

yaar it would not produce more than it takes
please i am not able to write a book about how these things work
refer to g string theory for the molecular energy held by them
this process usses the heat dissipation during the process and that is the only reason the water in tank ends

correction for step 3 (it produces HH and O not H2 and 02) HH is another for of water itself

brother im looking into matters actually i have very less time due to my work and kids and everything. im doing this solely on myself and wish to keep it this way because again i really hate people telling me im frankenstein or something lollxx

@all im not advocating HHO system to me its pretty much useless
im advocating optimism and appreciation along with actual reasoning like BackToCivicFaiez

searched the g-string. I know about the string theory and M theory. But couldnt find anything about g-string theory. Most of it was written in form of funny jokes....

But how does that relate to HHO? I mean these theories are about dimensions which we have absolutely no access to, these are places where jins are found and at higher dimensions , probably angels....... The theory says there are 11 dimensions in total including time. So that means there are 7 dimensions we cant see, feel , hear etc. but they exist. We only have access to 4 dimensions and energy can only travel from other dimensions to ours through big bangs ( where our universe came from ) and scientists believe that there were more than just one big bang, there might have been many more universes before ours and there are other universes as well.
Thats string theory explained briefly. But cant figure out how u make energy from it.

so im just waiting for some break through from ur side. then we'll see...
u dont need that much time. A gamla in ur garden can handle the heat....

[BackToCivicFaiez]

Trying to advance does not mean letting go of logical thought and proven knowledge.

well sometimes it actually does.......They were dead sure of the big bang theory, so sure they didnt think there could be any other way to explain everything. And just then the string theory showed up and messed up everything...

[VCheng]

@Vcheng
Talk to The Hand

Sure. Anything else?

[VCheng]

well sometimes it actually does.......They were dead sure of the big bang theory, so sure they didnt think there could be any other way to explain everything. And just then the string theory showed up and messed up everything...

Of course logical thought includes the eminently rational scientific process, right?

If anybody wishes to present a hypothesis, then experiment to prove or disprove the results, followed by a refined hypoethesis, followed by more experimentation.........

then I am all for it.

[VCheng]

well sometimes it actually does.......They were dead sure of the big bang theory, so sure they didnt think there could be any other way to explain everything. And just then the string theory showed up and messed up everything...

Please keep in mind that logical thought includes the robust scientific process, and theories are not proven knowledge.

[syd]

@Vcheng
Let me tell you mr thermodynamics why i referred Mr. Tesla, when he was busy making AC for ignorant and ungratefull people.
most of the world considered him mad and named him frankenstein.
their mere logic was "it's impossible"
@BackToCivicFaiez
my bad string theory does not only talks about multi dimensions as you found yourself
what intrigues me about this theory is a very minute detail that every molecule is made up of strings vibrating at a certain rate their vibrations and difference in the frequency of their vibration make them different from eachother.
these vibrations gave me a hope "if water air petrol all in sense are same and we can harness energy from one why cant we harness energy from others.
my research regarding this is still on paper because i havent got much time for this secondly my last experiecne with HHO project was a really bad one.
the temperature i was talking about is not in actual achievable by civilians because it is illegal and i donot have proper laboratory.

@Vcheng
my teachers are far more qualified and successful than most.
they had one ability which lacks in you. they did not mark me based on wether my work was applicable they marked me on basis of the effort i put into it.
the ability you lack is Optimism. you sound so like Russian

@Vcheng theories are the basic steps toward advancement as they have room for discussion and improvement

[VCheng]

@Vcheng
Talk to The Hand

@Vcheng
Let me tell you mr thermodynamics why i referred Mr. Tesla, when he was busy making AC for ignorant and ungratefull people.
most of the world considered him mad and named him frankenstein.
their mere logic was "it's impossible"
@BackToCivicFaiez
my bad string theory does not only talks about multi dimensions as you found yourself
what intrigues me about this theory is a very minute detail that every molecule is made up of strings vibrating at a certain rate their vibrations and difference in the frequency of their vibration make them different from eachother.
these vibrations gave me a hope "if water air petrol all in sense are same and we can harness energy from one why cant we harness energy from others.
my research regarding this is still on paper because i havent got much time for this secondly my last experiecne with HHO project was a really bad one.
the temperature i was talking about is not in actual achievable by civilians because it is illegal and i donot have proper laboratory.

@Vcheng
my teachers are far more qualified and successful than most.
they had one ability which lacks in you. they did not mark me based on wether my work was applicable they marked me on basis of the effort i put into it.
the ability you lack is Optimism. you sound so like Russian

@Vcheng theories are the basic steps toward advancement as they have room for discussion and improvement

Are you talking to me or my hand?

Best comedy I have read in a long time:

what intrigues me about this theory is a very minute detail that every molecule is made up of strings vibrating at a certain rate their vibrations and difference in the frequency of their vibration make them different from eachother.
these vibrations gave me a hope "if water air petrol all in sense are same and we can harness energy from one why cant we harness energy from others.
my research regarding this is still on paper because i havent got much time for this secondly my last experiecne with HHO project was a really bad one.
the temperature i was talking about is not in actual achievable by civilians because it is illegal and i donot have proper laboratory.

What a bunch of bul-l5-h1t in Russian, Croatian and in every other language in the world!

[Baleno1300]

I guess we are going in the wrong direction...............no one needs to tell others that they are geniuses.....everyone has their own opinion...and we should respect that, even if we don't agree....

The topic was about alternate fuel and we should discuss that.

[RetardedBuddy]

1. take water, put in electrolytic cell
2. Give DC electricity
3. Gases ( H2 and O2 ) will come out from terminals
4. Put gas in engine to make power.
5. Use power again to convert athe water ( steam ) into H2+O2 and repeat again from step 3

but it will not be producing more energy than it takes in. Thats the problem.

Thanks a lot buddy now i understand

brother its not electrolytic cell it is an old form and my first reactions are it may not work at all because the temperature my new apparatus is giving is far above the melting point of engine

What is your apparatus made of? How much is its melting point and how much is the melting point of the engine, and what temperature are getting?

How on earth can burning hydrogen be more efficient than getting energy from an electrolytic cell?

How is the splitting of Water into the so called HHO 100% efficient?

Hydrogen is a very explosive gas, how does it not auto ignite immediately when it is injected in the cylinder, how does it wait for the right moment to ignite? Where do store this hydrogen gas?

[MominHaq]

Oh no what's next, harvesting energy from space?

[VCheng]

Oh no what's next, harvesting energy from space?

Actually, there are plans to harvest solar energy for beaming down to earth.

[ToofaneBatameezi]

It works just like our current government, highly succesful except the fact that nobody else they, themselves recognize and have seen their success.

"Fuel saver" devices will not save you fuel
also go through the link within the article

[fahadwizz]

@ VCheng. Once the brightest minds believed that the earth is square and everything else revolves around it.

@Syd & rest. I have gone through the thread and the arguments you guys are providing are very thin. I don't think you project will ever work but that's just based on my understanding. Very first cars every built had a boiler installed. The steam from the boiler was used to power the engine. Offcourse the energy was limited and the engines were very very slow. Then it was found that carbon based molecules can emit far greater energy when burned which gave birth to Diesel and Petrol engines. You cannot run these engines on water no matter how hard you argue. They can only be run on carbon based fuels. Your concept will require a different engine design BUT water can only produce a specific amount of energy no matter how much you monkey with it. The only way to generate huge amount of energy from non carbon based molecules is through fusion and fission. But they are extremely dangerous specially after what happened in Japan countries have started closing down their nuclear plants. Imagine every car accident resulting an a nuclear explosion so that idea is out of the window. What's left? Yup electric powered cars. If i were you i would save up and invest in lithium stocks :).

@Syd You sound like a young blood and we need people who are willing to experiment and put efforts in R&D to invent something. Its a learning curve that we as a country and as muslims have never been through (atleast in the recent history). But lets not reinvent the wheel, research only yields results if its in the right direction.

Good luck!!!

[MominHaq]

Actually, there are plans to harvest solar energy for beaming down to earth.

Space was the wrong word choice, more like energy from thin air.

[VCheng]

Space was the wrong word choice, more like energy from thin air.

Actually, one can harvest enough EM radiation from thin air to power nanodevices.

I believe the Earth is square, so I must be the "brightest" mind still!

[ToofaneBatameezi]

These are US's federal trade commission's words not mine:

"Gas-Saving" Products: Fact or Fuelishness?

Gas prices are up, and so is the volume of advertising for  "gas-saving" products. When gasoline prices rise, consumers often look  for ways to improve fuel efficiency. Although there are practical steps  you can take to increase gas mileage, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC)  warns you to be wary of any gas-saving claims for automotive devices or  oil and gas additives. Even for the few gas-saving products that have  been found to work, the savings have been small.

"Gas-Saving" Products: Fact or Fuelishness?

[MominHaq]

Actually, one can harvest enough EM radiation from thin air to power nanodevices.

Yes exactly, it's harvesting energy that is already present, not something out of nothing.

[VCheng]

Yes exactly, it's harvesting energy that is already present, not something out of nothing.

But if I stand one leg and chant "OMMMMMMM" I can create energy I think. My teacher tells me so!

[Sohaib93]

What I understand of it is that the electrolytic cell will need to be powered aswell.
From where that power is going to come ?
If the power to electrolytic cell will come from the engine then it will obviously put more load on engine's generator and thereby increasing fuel consumption . And that minute amount of hydrogen will not compensate for the additional power required (as a law) .

[syd]

@ VCheng. Once the brightest minds believed that the earth is square and everything else revolves around it.

@Syd & rest. I have gone through the thread and the arguments you guys are providing are very thin. I don't think you project will ever work but that's just based on my understanding. Very first cars every built had a boiler installed. The steam from the boiler was used to power the engine. Offcourse the energy was limited and the engines were very very slow. Then it was found that carbon based molecules can emit far greater energy when burned which gave birth to Diesel and Petrol engines. You cannot run these engines on water no matter how hard you argue. They can only be run on carbon based fuels. Your concept will require a different engine design BUT water can only produce a specific amount of energy no matter how much you monkey with it. The only way to generate huge amount of energy from non carbon based molecules is through fusion and fission. But they are extremely dangerous specially after what happened in Japan countries have started closing down their nuclear plants. Imagine every car accident resulting an a nuclear explosion so that idea is out of the window. What's left? Yup electric powered cars. If i were you i would save up and invest in lithium stocks :).

@Syd You sound like a young blood and we need people who are willing to experiment and put efforts in R&D to invent something. Its a learning curve that we as a country and as muslims have never been through (atleast in the recent history). But lets not reinvent the wheel, research only yields results if its in the right direction.

Good luck!!!

this is one of the most balanced approaches here
im not saying these things will work
i know HHO does not do the trick
all i am saying is to keep struggling and if some one is doing so at least donot mock him because failing in one thing opens way to success and progress.

@all
companies leading the world market already have solutions lined up they are not fools

trial and error method is the only thing left for us

What I understand of it is that the electrolytic cell will need to be powered aswell.
From where that power is going to come ?
If the power to electrolytic cell will come from the engine then it will obviously put more load on engine's generator and thereby increasing fuel consumption . And that minute amount of hydrogen will not compensate for the additional power required (as a law) .

dispersion of light in your picture and these comments are absolutely CORRECT