Jdm cars

[dms664]

sir how they cheated u despite such heavy testing

[capsat]

head turned out with hairline fracture over port 3 intake at 1st start, got it replaced in under 30 hours.

[capsat]

yard owners know exactly what item they are dealing and what are the characteristics it carry. @mir.azam can share how it was about to happen as ' Kancha Singapore ' engine 15 din pehlay maal utra hai ' of Mira 660. wash karo engine gari mai lagao direct. He pulled wad of cash to count and @babarhashmi said wait please sabr karo to @mir.azam.

Asked scrap guy to remove hose cut & thermostat housing from engine .. came out caramel foam ( means oil & coolant slush kapoot head gaskit). We took guy by neck turned engine upside, lot marking date was of April 2017 where as we were in 2018 Nov and the scrap guy said engine 15 din pehlay aya hai .. . from final 55000 he was ready to give complete engine front suspension, axles & auto power train for 25000., worth it had there been new rebuild parts available. we walked away.

[altisdualvvti]

By the way which shop overall engine to it's factory specs in Pakistan?

[capsat]

@syncview does that since we know of him,

also we carry manual sheets and ask machine shops to do machining of cam crank block & head as we ask, we make sure assembly is done under our presence and as we ask.

@dani_kk @rajaatta @rozzzzz also try to stick to the book as & when available, does the job by the book most of the time that is' the reason they are Premium shops and can stand guarantee for their work.

[Xulfiqar]

The specs are published in factory service manual, and it just takes common sense and tooling to follow them.

Of course shops that will do that will charge you some money as tooling is expensive and so is time.

If you choose to find cheapest of cheap mechanic who doesnt have full tooling or understanding, you are the one to blame.

[syncview]

Small 660cc JDM cars are the epitome of motoring, nothing beats them in build quality, reliability, cheap maintenance and parts availability. Engine bad? 40000rs and one day later you can have a new engine and you are good to go for another 6-12 months. Bad suspension, no problems, rip everything out.. buy everything from scrap and install voila! no problems for another six months

[syncview]

Problem is that compression testing is not the only thing that matters. However it is THE only thing that matters when everything else is correct. Which in a scrap engine is usually not, you have to use old parts or replace a few parts on a scrap engine given that its compression is OK.
Another trick is to never compression test at shop, get the engine delivered to your place or workshop, fill in any cheapest mineral oil, crank it a few times with spark plugs out then do a compression test.

[Xulfiqar]

Well

They are golden egg laying goose for people like us.

[mgalaxy3]

@altisdualvvti @basitali87

Your life and safety is much more important than driving a PKDM with no airbags and proper brakes.

Can you find a rare internal engine part at Suzuki or Toyota 3S dealership, if you got into an accident? SURE. But it won't be you going there. It will be your heirs.

Because you might be in a hospital bed or god forbid not even in this world. A freaking Corolla XLI and Honda City, around 2.5 million PKR, do not come with air bags. Even GLI I think, older models. No ABS either.

Our brothers suggesting to buy a PKDM, say a Mehran or Alto, just because it has local parts.

In an unfortunate accident, you should be caring more about your BODY parts, rather than the car's parts.

A well-established JDM - you can find most parts in scrapyards, e.g. for Vitz/Prius. Needs some searching. Yes, no way brand new - very rarely if you import.

You at least will be driving a safer car. And that comes out on top.

But yeah, not if you're doing above 120km/hr - no car will save you at that speed.

So, it's all about what's important to you.

Your own body and its parts + safety
Or finding all the parts at a dealership (rarely people buy new PKDM parts anyway).

Of course, for models like Grande and Civic with safety features, a PKDM can be preferred.

[Xulfiqar]

So a jdm 660 that is made for under 95 kmh travel and is imported as scrap in pakistan then repaired under a tree by oxy acetylene welding ustaad is somehow superior?

Airbags of jdm are invalid in pakistan as 90% of cars globally have faulty ones from takata, so you basically are confirmed to die in jdm piece of garbage in Pakistan even if the crash wont kill you, the rupturing base disc of the faulty airbag will neatly slice your jugular for you (it goes through bone too)

You cannot get them replaced in Pakistan for jdm pieces of trash as the cars need to be at the "original market of sale" to get free safe airbag replacements; which in jdm case is Japan. Takata is not selling to public. Good luck, you have paddled up schitt creek and have bogged too.

Furthermore, 60% of jdm trash that was dumped/smuggled/laundered into Pakistan have deployed airbags and "tasali baksh dashboard poshish job" was done on them in Pakistan meaning there are no airbags in them at all. . Death of unbelted passenger from firing airbag is not pretty at all, consider that a normal crash where occupant was belted and bag blow out, your nose is smashed in like a boxer punch and your arms are burnt from the powder charge exhausting out. With unbelted you are ragdolled and then blown back.

Now another reality, people in Pakistan put fake belt clasps to silence the chime because (seat belt kamzor log lagatay hain (if male) and seat belt hamaray kapron ki show kharaab karta hai (if female))

More reality.

Babban/sheeda denter ustaad straightening an accidented piece of trash from Japan with a chain block tied to tree while he uses oxy torch to soften metal is not any safety standard/protocol, all the praise/poetry/lovey dovey warm feelings of jdm become null and void.

So take your pick, is sheeda marka safety standard better? Or is missing airbag worse than faulty airbag which literally slaughters you or blows your face off (dead both ways)??

[Xulfiqar]

Can you find a rare internal engine part at Suzuki or Toyota 3S dealership

Yep,

Read above, my own personal experience, If car was sold via local channel, (e.g. IMC for toyota, PS for suzuki)

You can get every little part, you can even buy new cyl heads if you want (as you are jdm owner you wont know as for jdm owners, new parts means scrapyard)

[Inspire]

Assalam o Alicom,

Does all JDM 660 cars goes through Babban/Sheeda Denter? even if they're 4/4.5/5 grade verifiable auction report?

Takata airbags had many recalls. Our local car preferably Corolla and Yaris airbags would be of Takata or another manufacturer? What your opinion about Airbags in new PKDM car are they reliable than JDMs?

[mgalaxy3]

You are saying what I was saying - please read:

Can you find a rare internal engine part at Suzuki or Toyota 3S dealership, if you got into an accident? SURE. But it won't be you going there. It will be your heirs.

So yes. New parts can be bought under a single roof, the 3S - but 90% of the people never buy new parts. Because they're too expensive. And they too search in scrapyards or used parts dealers.

That isn't even the point.

No reason to buy PKDM with no safety features. Your life and your own body parts are more important.

A used PKDM as well as JDM has to be inspected before purchase. If someone is blindly buying PKDM without any inspection, then they too can run into an accidented car. Airbags already deployed.

JDMs are significantly safer. Espwcially if you buy an inspected car, or buy an import with a verified 4 to 5 grade.

Only safer PKDMs are Grande and Civic, so if someone is buying a Grande or Civic, then sure - they can prefer PKDMs. Nothing wrong in such PKDMs.

No reason to buy PKDM Mehran, Alto, XLI, GLI, old Corollas, City - they are bad at safety. In this range an inspected/verified auction sheet JDM is much safer.

[Xulfiqar]

People do buy new parts for locally made cars either themselves or via insurance. On the other hand jdm owners are stuck with scrapyard (even for tiny simple things like radiator hose pipe, brake rubber pipes etc.

Lets take safety

Corolla being assembled in IMC are equally as safe as japanese variant.

Mehran sa308 is same as the first 1989 model in japan, yes its outdated, but still better than welded scrap.

Jdm 660 are not even meant for high speed driving, so what standard are you comparing them with?

Are you comparing safety rating of them against a civic and corolla?
Benz?
Volvo?

And im sure you know average car buyer in Pakistan have no idea abt any auction sheet or car grade and get lured in by sunglasses wearing used car salesman who literally compares tiny 660 to benz S class.

The same customers are the ones who are are alarmed when any new car is hit and crumples up like foil, forgetting that a crumpled end zones, snapped engine mounts, ripped subframe, is the safety structure of the car (to dissipate kinetic energy).

While overlooking that the cabin is intact.

[Xulfiqar]

Almost all cars globally have takata airbags as they were cheapest.

They are on global recall for the foreseeable future and they have been replaced in Pakistan too but only for cars sold through proper channel like imc, ahmcl, shahnawaz ltd, dewan motors, gandhara nissan etc.

E.g. you cannot drive your passo to toyota indus showroom and ask for airbag recall as it never was sold through them, you need to send the car back to japan to get new airbags as takata is not supplying them as retail spare part to manufacturer.

Now explain me how your passo is safe when there is an exploding bomb instead of airbag in the car.

[altisdualvvti]

That's a great point you have said. And basit Bhai and I am trying to prove again and again that these cars are much superior in bulid quailty then there PKDM counterparts but still people here are just on to parts brandnew parts parts........

[Xulfiqar]

What good use is build quality when you cannot maintain the machine.

E.g. john deere makes great tractors, but no zameendar buys in Pakistan.

Wonder why?

[altisdualvvti]

Who said you cant maintain JDMs. You are living in US so you are not aware of the current parts situation

[Xulfiqar]

I lived in pakistan forever, and had repair business too.

Jdm were always imported even back then and morons who bought them got really badly stung in the long run.

Usual visits to junkyards to find maintenance parts, haggling for scrap, discovering you have unique model whose parts are even more expensive.

E.g. mitsi galant gdi (where are those now?)

I had a slew of customers for which I replaced the piece of trash gdi with a regular port injection engine, because its maintenance was impossible in Pakistan.