Kaghan Valley: Latest Updates for 2012 season

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engineermali (engineermali) 2012-05-25 16:32:44 +0500 #161

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pakistanibandah786 (pakistanibandah786) 2012-05-26 09:56:36 +0500 #162

Dear @waqastariq @faheemshehzad @zahid...Gentlemen..no need to fight over the 'finer' point of taxation...basically we all agree that idiots who litter, need to be taxed and people who cleanup after themselves should not be paying for others bad deeds..but life is tough....I know ******** who CAN pay Rs. 10,000 tax and they will still litter b'cause they are 'idiots' - plain and simple...But we do have a ray of hope...Pakistanis need to be educated about things...Motorway is a good example...everybody obey the law...so lets tax Rs. 500 at entry point - say Balakot - then when we bring back garbage bags full of garbage to a collection point - these collection points can be each of the major villages along the road ie Naran/Jalkhad/Babusar top etc - (manned by a Forest Officer/local person) who can give you a 'Clean chit' that you did deposit garbage THEN you get Rs 250 back OR something like this proposal....we will have to incentivize 'cleanliness' even though our religion Islam tells us that 'Pakeezgi nisf imaan hae'..it scares the hell out of me that everyday we are starting our day from 50% due to our inherent nature of fuc%^ing things up in the atmosphere and our surroundings...

hassangr8 (hassangr8) 2012-05-27 16:36:55 +0500 #163

AOA All,

I have a plan to corss babusar top at the end of june InshAllah.

Can anyone advise me if it is feasible? Or any advises? Thanks

djtz (djtz) 2012-05-27 16:49:29 +0500 #164

AoA everybody, Im planning to visit Naran kaghan in the mid of june and im having trouble making budget as il be going with my friends. I want to have an idea that how much would a vigo and a new corolla consume diesel and petrol. Il be visiting nathia gali> kaghan> shogran> naran.

irfansattar (irfansattar) 2012-05-28 05:39:05 +0500 #165

@ pakistanibandah786 and others

I tried to make a separate thread for this topic https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/road-trips-vacations/171027-undoing-damage-done-environment maybe we can post pictures showing ugly face of nature getting destroyed especially on commercial scale by hotel owners ( u will have to go where they dump their waste) and while giving hotel reviews should highlight this point as well so that hotel owners do get concerned when they get feedback that ppl want to choose a hotel based on waste management/disposal as well

aesiege (aesiege) 2012-05-28 07:02:26 +0500 #166

Important Update

Jalkhad is now accessible by jeeps
FWO is working on area beyond Jalkhad
Babusar pass is expected to be open between 15-20 June
Saif-ul-Muluk road is still half-closed and is expected to be cleared in first week of June

djtz (djtz) 2012-05-28 07:08:57 +0500 #167

Anybody??

stonedsaint 2012-05-28 07:33:52 +0500 #168

@aesiege
how about access to jhalkand on car ? planning with family on city 06 !!!!!! in next 2 weeks ......

moonraider (moonraider) 2012-05-28 07:53:05 +0500 #169

@djtz
NO REPLIES YET
ok bro..lemme try this for u bro
THIS IS JUST ESTIMATION AS I DONT OWN EITHER OF THE CARS!!

nathia gali> kaghan> shogran> naran.

isb nathiagali (~100kms) corolla (10litres @10km/litre due to climb) vigo(~10 litres as well)
nathiagali abbottabad (~30kms) (2.5-3 litres for rolla as well as vigo
abbottabad balakot (~74kms) (6 litres corolla and 7 for vigo)
balakot to kewai (~24kms) (2.5 l (rolla) 3l (vigo)
kewai to shogran (~8kms + 8kms back) (3-4l rolla) (3-4l for vigo) as road under construction and v steep incline (ist gear alot used)
kewai to kaghan (~38kms) (5l for rolla and 5l for vigo)
kagha to naran (~24kms) (3-4 for rolla and 3-4 for vigo)

Less amount on return except from balakot to mansehra as it is incline
and return via hassanabdal to isb from abbottabad is 116kms will be @ 12-13kms/liter for rolla and 10km/lit for vigo

JUST ADD THE LITRES and multiply by the rate of respective fuel.. and here u gooo!!!

PS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
estimates are somewhat pessimistic (it would take lesser fuel i think if no road blocks and jams)
No 4x4 use is taken into account
these are just estimates bro..just my experience.
U HAVE A RIGHT TO DISAGREE

best of luck bro!!

moonraider (moonraider) 2012-05-28 07:55:27 +0500 #170

correction
abbottabad balakot corolla may eat 7litres

DO KEEP EXTRA FUEL IN CAR!! always..

aesiege (aesiege) 2012-05-28 08:56:12 +0500 #171

Should be good to go around 15-20 June inshallah

stonedsaint 2012-05-28 09:40:06 +0500 #172

ok !!!
Thanks for the help bro

pakistanibandah786 (pakistanibandah786) 2012-05-28 11:46:07 +0500 #173

SirJee @irfansattar You are 100% correct and I agree...we should be only patronising those establishments that practice atleast the minimal - but concerted - effort, to rectify this situation...I would add a TREE or a PLASTIC BAG icon next to their reviews...I am sure they will get the message and act upon it...May Allah help us and give us vision NOT to throw axe on our own feet...ameen

pakistanibandah786 (pakistanibandah786) 2012-05-28 11:47:47 +0500 #174

SirJee...aap ka bahut shukuryaa....Thanks for a wonderful and timely update...May Allah bless your soul...ameen

pakistanibandah786 (pakistanibandah786) 2012-05-28 11:59:07 +0500 #175

Sirs: Need your help..is there anyway you can find out the road condition from Muzaffarabd-Garhi Habibullah-Balakot. Also, can we bypass the Muzaffarabad city to head to Garhi....dont want to get caught in the city traffic mess....I am in a jeep but with family...Any help is highly appreciated..Regards

pakistanibandah786 (pakistanibandah786) 2012-05-28 12:02:19 +0500 #176

InshaAllah you will do it...and I am trying to do it as well...may Allah help us both and others..ameen

djtz (djtz) 2012-05-28 12:48:39 +0500 #177

moonraider;3383061:

@djtz
NO REPLIES YET
ok bro..lemme try this for u bro
THIS IS JUST ESTIMATION AS I DONT OWN EITHER OF THE CARS!!

nathia gali> kaghan> shogran> naran.

isb nathiagali (~100kms) corolla (10litres @10km/litre due to climb) vigo(~10 litres as well)
nathiagali abbottabad (~30kms) (2.5-3 litres for rolla as well as vigo
abbottabad balakot (~74kms) (6 litres corolla and 7 for vigo)
balakot to kewai (~24kms) (2.5 l (rolla) 3l (vigo)
kewai to shogran (~8kms + 8kms back) (3-4l rolla) (3-4l for vigo) as road under construction and v steep incline (ist gear alot used)
kewai to kaghan (~38kms) (5l for rolla and 5l for vigo)
kagha to naran (~24kms) (3-4 for rolla and 3-4 for vigo)

Less amount on return except from balakot to mansehra as it is incline
and return via hassanabdal to isb from abbottabad is 116kms will be @ 12-13kms/liter for rolla and 10km/lit for vigo

JUST ADD THE LITRES and multiply by the rate of respective fuel.. and here u gooo!!!

PS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
estimates are somewhat pessimistic (it would take lesser fuel i think if no road blocks and jams)
No 4x4 use is taken into account
these are just estimates bro..just my experience.
U HAVE A RIGHT TO DISAGREE

best of luck bro!!

Thanks a million bro, an estimate is all i wanted that will help me alot.

sajidahmed (sajidahmed) 2012-05-28 13:16:50 +0500 #178

The said route is fine, last june i used the same route with family, using corolla. most of the part is good but some portion the road not good.

aesiege (aesiege) 2012-05-28 13:24:33 +0500 #179

I don't have any idea of the road condition but i can guide u for the way assuming that u will be coming from Kohala side to Muzaffarabad.

The map is self explanatory.

I assume u will be coming from Kohala and then u can turn left at the bridge before city and use the road going to Garhi Habibullah.

The view of Muzaffarabad city specially Lower Chattar is amazing once u gain some height.

Use the road marked with red track.

001 by Sabrite, on Flickr

aesiege (aesiege) 2012-05-28 13:29:39 +0500 #180

Rahman bhai did this route and pics are available in detail in his thread:

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/road-trips-vacations/157801-preparations-naran-muzaffarabad-rawlakot-banjusa-lake-lc-spitfire