Lubricant Discussion- Engine Oil / Gear Oil

[margallar]

one of the best advice

[VCheng]

Aoa.... has any one tried enoes japan oils here? which are marketed by attock petroleum.. they dont have API certification seal on their oil bottles either.. price wise they are not extra expensive

AFAIK, Eneos Fully Synthetic oils are API certified.

https://www.eneos.us/product-category/products/eneos-fully-synthetic-motor-oil/

[ansarghani]

The link says 'exceed' not certified, perhaps thats why the containers/cans do not have API donut.

[VCheng]

Please see the photos carefully and read the descriptions for the individual oil specifications.

[ansarghani]

2 of them have the donut. And as haider_ciit had pointed out the cans available here doesn't have it so it seems few of the products aren't 'certified' hence it's written 'exceed'.

API is not the end of the world there are other certification and standards too, and a lot of oil brands which aren't API certified and still doing great business with great products.

"API certification being voluntary is somewhat like ISO9000. It tries to give consumer a certain measurable quality of oil, when the product is certified.

And the certification is on individual product, not across the board.

Some companies making great oils like Redline did not go for certification for some reasons. It could be that they are confident in their product without the need for certification, unless the market forced them to.

Also, certification would probably cost money and last maybe a couple of years.

So certification and recertification, may just add more cost to the manufacturer."

[VCheng]

Good point. People are free to choose what products they wish to buy and use, certified or not.

I am using a new product made from ambrosia and unicorn sweat that exceeds 0W100 and offers indefinite life.

[margallar]

1 lightyear oil change interval while running at 20,000 RPM

[ansarghani]

"People are free to choose", exactly..
There is no point starting a thread with harsh words like "Scam" without any lab tests, just establishing an argument that an oil without API certification is like crap.

[VCheng]

As long as there is no attempt to mislead others, I have no problem with what you have said.

Using an oil that is not API certified voids the warranty. That is all. Everyone can make their own choices.

[margallar]

No one said it is crap.

What we did imply was, it is being sold with biased and unrealistic claims. THAT IS A SCAM

And yes, not being api certified can be harmful.

It is not something that will benefit anyone's daily driver, it is not going to increase power or fuel average

[margallar]

https://www.8thcivic.com/threads/i-guess-amsoil-can-damage-catalytic-converter.175643/

here you go, one reply from beloved amsoil, where they themselves say that the oil can harm Catalytic converters.

Are all amsoil products being sold here Api Certified?

I am not saying "some" products, I am saying "all"?

are the vendors honest with the customers? do they themselves even know if it is meant for street use or not?

In case of non certified products, are they informing customers about the risks? NO, they are claiming it will make the engine perform better

[margallar]

Now some people are going to say, that Amsoil's additives that make it so special, prevent it from getting api certified.

Well its fine to use those in race applications. where you don't have emissions equipment to worry about

But when you are comparing api graded amsoil with api graded local brands, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT?

[margallar]

if the manufacturer can not afford to pay for certification, how do you think they can pay for research?

They may not certify oils that are special application, however not getting your oils tested by saying "we are confident in our product" is like saying i wont get a driving license, because "i am confident i am a great driver"

[qwertypoiu]

Oh war gaye bhai,
Uncle say drum is fake oil
40,000 ka glass coat aur gari chalti nahi
Shop keeper words are considered as commandments of Allah..

Oh bhai kon hoe tum

Fact par bhe baat kar loo koi.
This thread is full of opinions not facts, in Pakistan what ever product is selling do you think shop keepers sell it my quoting its original specs? Almost all sales are made after shop keepers mindlessly praise the product. Those who buy the bullshit shop keeper says is his own fault.

After successful useless debate on mota tail vs patla tail we have sasta tail vs mehanga tail.

In this whole thread 2 things are at fact 1) its not API certified 2) fakes do exist and possibly smuggled.

[qwertypoiu]

Baki sab to science hai aap ke gari mai sasta oil hit hai, aap que 7000 ka oil daltay hai ma 3000 ka dalta hoe, shell maray phuphay ke company hai, amsoil is haram.

Mari gari oil nahi khati mari mehran mai 8 cylinder engine hai,
Ma F22 mai shell ka drum wala tail dalta hoe..

Mars rover mai 0w20 shell dala hai NASA nai

Bas kar paglaye rulaye ga kia

[VCheng]

In this whole thread 2 things are at fact 1) its not API certified 2) fakes do exist and possibly smuggled.

I would prefer genuine AMSOil non -API oil over any fake API-certified oil reconditioned in a karahi in a back alley in Wassanpura, for sure.

[qwertypoiu]

Agreed other than this fact everything else is opinion.
Jao bhai tum kush hoe apnay 3000 kay oil mai ma khush hoe apnay 7000 kay oil mai

[VCheng]

I will be willing to sell my special ambrosia unicorn tears 0W100 oil for only 100k per liter (plus delivery and tax charges), for a limited time introductory sale only. Ek dum sab sey behtareen tel, baqi sab bakwas hey.

[margallar]

1. amsoil is good for 20k ?

   opinion

2. amsoil improves acceleration?

   where is dyno sheet? again an opinion

3. amsoil improves fuel economy?

   where is the fact???

4. amsoil is better than all other locally marketed oils?

   where is the oil analysis

SO ALL THE SELLING POINTS OF AMSOIL ARE OPINIONS

[margallar]

it is not a matter of you do what you want and I do what I want.

People are being sold onto wrong information, they think their prius or vitz will get alot better with this oil, it is just not the case.

However, there is one FACT for sure.

People are being duped into paying twice as much, for something that has no benefit to them