Maintaining UPS/car batteries

[Gringo1]

Guys need battery electrolyte called Pyro and they said they have stopped selling in small bottles only available in 30litre can. Can somebody help in this regard where to get one in small packing.

[whiteangel]

Pyro contact address is in the first post. Order over the phone and they will deliver to your doorstep.

[Gringo1]

Pyro contact address is in the first post. Order over the phone and they will deliver to your doorstep.

I have mentioned in my query that I have already contacted them and they said that no more small bottles only 30 liter packing is available. I wanted to inquire about the availability in small packing as 30 litre is way too much.
Thanks.

[asjdsm]

I have mentioned in my query that I have already contacted them and they said that no more small bottles only 30 liter packing is available. I wanted to inquire about the availability in small packing as 30 litre is way too much.
Thanks.

A 175ah battery takes almost 12 ltr.
So you can sell or share it or pool with someone both will benefit

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[HellsGuardian]

System in question is: inverex 600w ups with 2 year old phoenix ugs175 battery, charging rate is set to 20A.

Last night we were running a load of 4 fans, 2 28w lights, 1 18w energy saver and wifi router when ups gave up after 45mins of usage. Normally our usage is 2 fans and 2 lights and it can easily give a backup of 4 hours... so this has never happened before.

I checked the battery and electrolyte level was a bit low so i topped it up however through out the night, the battery was giving only 40-50mins backup with even 3 fans.

In the morning i checked the voltage difference in all cells and the readings were consistently 2.3xV.
I also noticed that after 1.5 hours of charging, the ups reached its cut-off voltage of 14.2 and went into trickle charge mode which holds the voltage at 13.6v with current at <1amp.

Should i try a flush or get a new battery?

[unstopabl3]

If your ups is tuned properly, then it should switch off ups at 21 to 22 Volts..... properly tuned ups dont deep discharge the battery.

Terminal volts drop with the passage of time...........Back up time is the main test for finding battery health........n ur batteries are healthy........

Bro got the new Imran Brothers IC104 kit installed in my UPS as per your suggestion. The guy charged 500Rs and tuned it as per the specifications I told him. Now the charging amperes are 15-16A (they fluctuate a little but the guy said that's normal). I also reduced the output voltage to around 260-265V.

The guy said the voltage cutoff is already set at 28.30-28.40 and the low cutoff is already set at 21-22V, not sure if he was telling the truth. What do you suggest???

Also I asked the battery guy that my batteries are showing 1200 gravity in some cells and he said only initially they showed 1250 gravity afterwards anything around 1200 gravity is good enough. Is this true?

[unstopabl3]

System in question is: inverex 600w ups with 2 year old phoenix xp 170 battery, charging rate is set to 20A.

Last night we were running a load of 4 fans, 2 28w lights, 1 18w energy saver and wifi router when ups gave up after 45mins of usage. Normally our usage is 2 fans and 2 lights and it can easily give a backup of 4 hours... so this has never happened before.

I checked the battery and electrolyte level was a bit low so i topped it up however through out the night, the battery was giving only 40-50mins backup with even 3 fans.

In the morning i checked the voltage difference in all cells and the readings were consistently 2.3xV.
I also noticed that after 1.5 hours of charging, the ups reached its cut-off voltage of 14.2 and went into trickle charge mode which holds the voltage at 13.6v with current at <1amp.

Should i try a flush or get a new battery?

Bhai your charging rate of 20A is too much and considering the age of your battery and the load you've put it through, it seems it has died or near death. Rest experts can guide you better.

[HellsGuardian]

Bhai your charging rate of 20A is too much and considering the age of your battery and the load you've put it through, it seems it has died or near death. Rest experts can guide you better.

i increased it in summer otherwise it would not be able to charge in two hours when the next load shedding strikes.... in winters i kept it 10. I have set it back to 10a now

[aamirna97]

Aoa brother.
Meray pass 1000w ka desi copper ka ups hy.main nay iss k saath 200amp k AGS ki betry lagwai hui hy.pooxhna yeh chahta hoon k ups pooray maheenay kitni bijli consume kerta hy.
2.bettery charging k time ups kitnay amp per charge kery tu bettery ki life best rahay ge.
3.bettery ka electoride kam na ho uss ka kia tarika hy.
Hum at a time 2 se ziada fan nhi chalatay.1st time ups lia hy plz zara detail se bata dein k bettery 1000w k ups k saath kaun c best rahay ge aur uss ki life kaisay ziada ersa tak chala sakein ***.

[aamirna97]

Yeh mera 1000w k ups hy

[aamirna97]

Iss ka prob yeh bhi hy k charging mujhay manually kerni perti hy.summers me tez keron tu bettry ka pani kam hi jata hy.slow pe fan ziada dair tak nhi chaltay
Kia koi aisi kit hy k mera ups auto pe charging keray jab jitni zarorat hi utni he charge karay.charging out kitni voltage tak honi chahiay

[unstopabl3]

can be anything, he could have poured a very dirty electrolyte, or freshly prepared electrolyte without allowing it to cool down which is very bad for batteries.

i would advise you to order 30 liters from pryo chemicals, have it properly flushed and pour new inside it.

Bro please confirm when checking charging amperes on the battery terminal, should we select AC or DC, also when checking voltages on battery terminals should we select AC or DC.

Secondly, does using 250-265V output instead of the normally used 270-280V provide more backup time from the UPS/Batteries or not?

Thanks

[unstopabl3]

Bro went to Hall Road, Lahore and purchased the following kit as per your recommendation from Imran Brothers store. The seller said there is no difference between IC104/IC105 and gave me this kit for 900Rs:

Is it the right kit bro, as my UPS is 24V and 1000Watts.

Thanks

@ishtiaq778

Bro how to set the cutoff voltage on this kit as you can see there is no Battery Full variable, so from where can I set the cutoff voltage? Please explain by highlighting on the picture.

Thanks

[Ishtiaq778]

@Ishtiaq778

Bro how to set the cutoff voltage on this kit as you can see there is no Battery Full variable, so from where can I set the cutoff voltage? Please explain by highlighting on the picture.

Thanks

[Ishtiaq778]

iss ka prob yeh bhi hy k charging mujhay manually kerni perti hy.summers me tez keron tu bettry ka pani kam hi jata hy.slow pe fan ziada dair tak nhi chaltay
kia koi aisi kit hy k mera ups auto pe charging keray jab jitni zarorat hi utni he charge karay.charging out kitni voltage tak honi chahiay

i c 104 imran and co..............is solution of your problem........

[unstopabl3]

Thanks bro, that's what the guy also told me but wanted to confirm with you.

Could you also please shed some light on my posts #2862 and #2856, much appreciated.

[unstopabl3]

I just tried with a small screwdriver to rotate this small screw both clockwise and anticlockwise from the position in this picture, but I am not able to increase the cutoff more than 27.10V. So want to confirm should I screw clockwise or anticlockwise on this blue screw to increase the cutoff as it's currently set near to 27V.

Also I tried setting the output voltage at 250-265V but when wapda was out, the fans ran very slow and noise started coming from UPS, so I increased the output to above 270-280V and fans started working flawlessly without any noise from the UPS, anything lower than this the fans run very slow and noise comes from UPS. Is it safe to set output at 270V???

Thanks

[talhawaleed]

I just tried with a small screwdriver to rotate this small screw both clockwise and anticlockwise from the position in this picture, but I am not able to increase the cutoff more than 27.10V. So want to confirm should I screw clockwise or anticlockwise on this blue screw to increase the cutoff as it's currently set near to 27V.

Also I tried setting the output voltage at 250-265V but when wapda was out, the fans ran very slow and noise started coming from UPS, so I increased the output to above 270-280V and fans started working flawlessly without any noise from the UPS, anything lower than this the fans run very slow and noise comes from UPS. Is it safe to set output at 270V???

Thanks

very easy to adjust the cut off voltage

1. fullly charge the batteries, attach the voltmeter to battery terminals.

1. then bring the battery back to backup mode by switching off the power from input for few seconds and turning it on again.
2. Observe the reading on voltmeter as ups will take a minute or two to charge it back.
3. Note the cutt of voltage.
4. Rotate the screw , repeate the above process to see if it has increased or not.
5. Keep doing it till the time its not set to the desired voltage.

If if you have to wait more then a min or two for batteries to get charge again then increase the charging rate on temporary basis to speed up the process.

If it does not shows any change then maybe the cut off variable is bad. Either have the variable replaced by soldering a new one or replace the card.

P.S: cut off voltage is the last reading on voltmeter before ups stops charging the device. you maybe making a mistake and thinking that ups has stopped charging the batteries while its still doing so. so have an amp-meter also attached to the batteries wires for you can observe both the charging rate and cut off voltage together.

[unstopabl3]

very easy to adjust the cut off voltage

1. fullly charge the batteries, attach the voltmeter to battery terminals.

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[*]then bring the battery back to backup mode by switching off the power from input for few seconds and turning it on again.
[*]Observe the reading on voltmeter as ups will take a minute or two to charge it back.
[*]Note the cutt of voltage.
[*]Rotate the screw , repeate the above process to see if it has increased or not.
[*]Keep doing it till the time its not set to the desired voltage.
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If if you have to wait more then a min or two for batteries to get charge again then increase the charging rate on temporary basis to speed up the process.

If it does not shows any change then maybe the cut off variable is bad. Either have the variable replaced by soldering a new one or replace the card.

P.S: cut off voltage is the last reading on voltmeter before ups stops charging the device. you maybe making a mistake and thinking that ups has stopped charging the batteries while its still doing so. so have an amp-meter also attached to the batteries wires for you can observe both the charging rate and cut off voltage together.

Bhai I've already been trying to do this, but the variable is weird and is not being adjusted properly, before the maximum I could get was 27V and now it's around 26V, I'll try again tomorrow but this is quite time consuming work, no wonder the shop guy didn't want to do it himself.

Secondly, bro please confirm when checking charging amperes on the battery terminal, should we select AC or DC, also when checking voltages on battery terminals should we select AC or DC.

Thirdly, does using 250-265V output instead of the normally used 270-280V provide more backup time from the UPS/Batteries or not? As I tried setting the output voltage at 250-265V on this new kit but when wapda was out, the fans ran very slow and noise started coming from UPS, so I increased the output to above 270-280V and fans started working flawlessly without any noise from the UPS, anything lower than this the fans run very slow and noise comes from UPS. Is it safe to set output at 270V???

Thanks

Thanks

[talhawaleed]

Bhai I've already been trying to do this, but the variable is weird and is not being adjusted properly, before the maximum I could get was 27V and now it's around 26V, I'll try again tomorrow but this is quite time consuming work, no wonder the shop guy didn't want to do it himself.

Secondly, bro please confirm when checking charging amperes on the battery terminal, should we select AC or DC, also when checking voltages on battery terminals should we select AC or DC.

Thirdly, does using 250-265V output instead of the normally used 270-280V provide more backup time from the UPS/Batteries or not? As I tried setting the output voltage at 250-265V on this new kit but when wapda was out, the fans ran very slow and noise started coming from UPS, so I increased the output to above 270-280V and fans started working flawlessly without any noise from the UPS, anything lower than this the fans run very slow and noise comes from UPS. Is it safe to set output at 270V???

Thanks

Thanks

First, your question regarding AC and DC thing tells me that your fundamentals on electrical subjects is very weak. Obviously if you are taking the measurement on battery terminals and battery wire connected to positive or negative terminals then you are measuring DC voltage and DC current.

The process is time consuming for you as still you are in learning stage. Otherwise its quick. I gave you a hint to increase the charging rate on temporary basis during the cutoff adjustments so that you don’t have to wait longer to see if ups hits the required cut of voltage or not.

Clarify this, that cut off voltage is a voltage once ups will stop charging the batteries. If cut off voltage has decreased on anti-clock wise rotation then it will increase on clock wise rotation of the variable.

I right now don’t have a video recorder as otherwise I would have made a video for you. Set the output voltage on 250 volts right now as still your batteries are not fully charged. If it will be fully charged then you may end up experiencing 300 volts at output. To set the output voltage, rule of thumb is that charge your batteries fully and then adjust it by bringing it into backup mode.

Output voltage is set to 260 volts maximum so that once batteries will discharge then output will also decrease from 260 till it will touch 230 or 220 volts. If it will go below 220 then may end up burning few adopters or tvs etc. so by doing so , we have defined a windows and if you will increase it more then again it will end up burning something else. If less is bad then more is also bad;