Maintaining UPS/car batteries

[saadzzz]

Plz mention that dealer

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[talhawaleed]

Previously, I used to use pyro battery water to top up the batteries. But I have observed that Pyro water is not as clean as it should be. I have observed white cloud several times in the bottles and also the smell of fungus which mean it is not that good quality distilled water. Now, I have switched to AGS battery tonic (distilled water) and it is the best and most pure distilled water available in market. One litre bottle costs around 53 rupees (price mentioned on bottle). But if you buy in bulk that is if you buy its whole carton, you will get it for 600 rupees or less. One carton carries 12 bottles. Always ask the dealer for a discount. AGS battery water is also available in 500 ml bottles. So, you can go for that option. Regarding its availability, it is available at authorized AGS battery dealers. But if you don't find it, ask me. I know a dealer in Lahore who sells it.

There is slight difference between distilled and de-ionized water,

distilled water will be free from positive, negative ions along with bacteria and fungus etc. You can also drink it, use it in car batteries or for any purpose where your aim is to use most purified form of water.

De-ionized water undergoes through some process which gets rid of positive and negative ions from water but bacteria and fungus will remain there. It may not be safe for drinking but perfect for batteries, radiator and other purposes where you don’t want salts in water.

[ch.talal]

Plz mention that dealer

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"M.B Battery Service". Address: Hamid building, near General bus stand Badami Bagh Lahore. If you can not reach them then check the list of authorized dealers of AGS batteries at "http://www.atlasbattery.com.pk/dealers/index.php".

There is slight difference between distilled and de-ionized water,

distilled water will be free from positive, negative ions along with bacteria and fungus etc. You can also drink it, use it in car batteries or for any purpose where your aim is to use most purified form of water.

De-ionized water undergoes through some process which gets rid of positive and negative ions from water but bacteria and fungus will remain there. It may not be safe for drinking but perfect for batteries, radiator and other purposes where you don’t want salts in water.

Deionized water is prepared through ion exchange process which is an entirely different procedure. Distilled water is prepared through evaporation and condensation process. Deionized water should also never contain any cloudy or dirt particles in it if it is prepared on well maintained plants. Both deionized and distilled water can be used for same purposes.

[deltoid61]

Thanks
Please let us know the prices of these gadgets and how to use them?

Amp meter and voltmeter cost near Rs 450 each depending on how good quality you buy.
Hydrometer is available at battery shops in just rs 150.but ask them to prepare it for you as there is very high chance that you will break it and its glass is very delicate and sharp.
How to use them? i made a video about it but that is near 950Mb ! i will upload it some day coz these days my net is giving problems.
But these are very easy to use,surf net for that

[mfdarvesh]

Thanks

Amp meter and voltmeter cost near Rs 450 each depending on how good quality you buy.
Hydrometer is available at battery shops in just rs 150.but ask them to prepare it for you as there is very high chance that you will break it and its glass is very delicate and sharp.
How to use them? i made a video about it but that is near 950Mb ! i will upload it some day coz these days my net is giving problems.
But these are very easy to use,surf net for that

[mfdarvesh]

@talhawaleed
My UPS battery is gone and I need a new battery. Visited market today, Phoenix USG 210 is available in Rs 16500 while 185 is Rs 13000. My UPS is Mercury 1KVA which battery is recommended?. Moreover, where can I get the good quality Electrolyte in Islamabad. I am in hurry, UPS is gone and no time to prepare it my self. Please advise ??

[talhawaleed]

@talhawaleed
My UPS battery is gone and I need a new battery. Visited market today, Phoenix USG 210 is available in Rs 16500 while 185 is Rs 13000. My UPS is Mercury 1KVA which battery is recommended?. Moreover, where can I get the good quality Electrolyte in Islamabad. I am in hurry, UPS is gone and no time to prepare it my self. Please advise ??

In hurry, you cannot do anything. Buy de-ionized water from source mentioned in main thread. Buy big plastic bucket and give it to battery shop and ask him to prepare electrolyte using it.

Prices you told me are wrong as recently I have bough phoenix UGS 215 each for Rs 15000 from an wholesale Pheonix dealer based in Main Pir Wadahi chock.

i will recommend UGS 215, rest is your choice.

http://www.phoenixbattery.com.pk/product.php

[deltoid61]

mfdarvesh i dont think your 1 kva UPS will handle that big battery,that battery will require at least 20 Amps of charging,are you sure your UPS can provide such high charging current.Most i heard and seen imported UPS charge slowing. So your battery will not be fully charged when light goes again ,and again,so gradually it will deteriorate and die due to over discharging.

[saadzzz]

mfdarvesh i dont think your 1 kva UPS will handle that big battery,that battery will require at least 20 Amps of charging,are you sure your UPS can provide such high charging current.Most i heard and seen imported UPS charge slowing. So your battery will not be fully charged when light goes again ,and again,so gradually it will deteriorate and die due to over discharging.

Yes brother u r right! I had home age ups and one battery of Osaka NA 140 and it never charged the battery due to slower charging rate at the end i replaced it with desi UPS and all went fine.....

Even i took homage ups to the service center but they said we already increased its charging rate but nothing happened.....

[deltoid61]

yup i our type of excessive loadshedding desi Ups are fine and their quality has improved also.mine never gave a problem in 2 years

[saadzzz]

Plzz share the vdo of checking battery electrolyte

[mfdarvesh]

Thank you, but rest of the people are saying that I may not buy 215 Battery. But its actual capacity is only 160 AH. May I go for 215 with China Mercury UPS.

In hurry, you cannot do anything. Buy de-ionized water from source mentioned in main thread. Buy big plastic bucket and give it to battery shop and ask him to prepare electrolyte using it.

Prices you told me are wrong as recently I have bough phoenix UGS 215 each for Rs 15000 from an wholesale Pheonix dealer based in Main Pir Wadahi chock.

i will recommend UGS 215, rest is your choice.

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[jeepaholic]

Any information on de sulfation of less used batteries?

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[talhawaleed]

Thank you, but rest of the people are saying that I may not buy 215 Battery. But its actual capacity is only 160 AH. May I go for 215 with China Mercury UPS.

You can go for it but measure the charging rate first so that we be sure before making a purchase and then cross check that in how many stages does it charges the battery and charging rate at every stage and see if you can adjust the charging rate on this UPS.

This is very important

[talhawaleed]

mfdarvesh i dont think your 1 kva UPS will handle that big battery,that battery will require at least 20 Amps of charging,are you sure your UPS can provide such high charging current.Most i heard and seen imported UPS charge slowing. So your battery will not be fully charged when light goes again ,and again,so gradually it will deteriorate and die due to over discharging.

You are right if charging rate is slow then most likely batteries will not get fully charged. But, yet we don’t know that, he needs to cross his charging rate using AMP-Meter and confirm his doubts. UGS 215 is manufactured for UPS and If that’s not the marketing thing then batteries for UPS grade suppose to have think lead plates as compared with other series they offer, that means extended life as compared to its counter parts under UPS usage. IKVA ups only tells us that if load exceeds 1KVA then UPS will shut down immediately. I have seen local 1KVA UPS with adjustable charging rates which can be varied between 24Amperes to minimum 1 Amperes depending upon your requirement. UGS 215 has an AMP-HR rating of 160 which I think other manufacturers have not mentioned on their sites. So that says that maximum allowable charging rate should not exceed 16 Amperes, even then if its set to 10 Amperes then I think It will serve his purpose with load shedding of an hour after every two. 10 Amperes is a good charging rate for batteries with capacity varying from 150AMP-HR to 200AMP-HR, it should be able to charge the batteries in hour or two maximum.

[talhawaleed]

Any information on de sulfation of less used batteries?

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I guess, we have no cure for de-sulfation, few sites says that Espom salt solves the problem then in few sites they claim that if ever you want to get last juice out from your batteries then you may pour espom salt directly inside the electrolyte.

In any way, most of them claims that you may still will have to replace the batteries after 7 days to a 15 days time maximum since you last treated the batteries with Espom salt.

[COOLTAHIR]

i have a ques !
i have bought a new osaka 220 bettery my preivious ags 200 was ver old used it for 1.5 year
now the problem im facing is it charges 3-4 hours and light goes for used for 2 hours with 1-2 fans 2 energy savers after but it does not last long for more than 1 or 1.5 hour and bettery dies what could be the problem i have two ups 1 is 4-5 years old and other is bought one week before the new ups is apollo b it only last for max half an hour and the old one for 1 or 1.5 hour
kindly tell me a soloution how could a battery dies after 1 hour with 1 fan and 2 saver even it is charged for 3-4 hours

[deltoid61]

@tahir : i had worst experience with Osaka and many people also state same.Any way you need to check is your UPs is able to charge the battery?Attach voltmeter to battery and see how much current it is retaining.also buy an amp meter and cehck how much amps UPS is providing to battery? and i assume as the battery is new so no need to check the gravity at this time.1st do above two and that will tell whether the battery or UPS is faulty

[mfdarvesh]

I am using Mercury 1KVA Chinese UPS with no charging rate adjustment option. Previously, I was using Volta NS155 and there was no problem of charging in any type of load shedding. I will again check in evening ...

You can go for it but measure the charging rate first so that we be sure before making a purchase and then cross check that in how many stages does it charges the battery and charging rate at every stage and see if you can adjust the charging rate on this UPS.

This is very important

You are right if charging rate is slow then most likely batteries will not get fully charged. But, yet we don’t know that, he needs to cross his charging rate using AMP-Meter and confirm his doubts. UGS 215 is manufactured for UPS and If that’s not the marketing thing then batteries for UPS grade suppose to have think lead plates as compared with other series they offer, that means extended life as compared to its counter parts under UPS usage. IKVA ups only tells us that if load exceeds 1KVA then UPS will shut down immediately. I have seen local 1KVA UPS with adjustable charging rates which can be varied between 24Amperes to minimum 1 Amperes depending upon your requirement. UGS 215 has an AMP-HR rating of 160 which I think other manufacturers have not mentioned on their sites. So that says that maximum allowable charging rate should not exceed 16 Amperes, even then if its set to 10 Amperes then I think It will serve his purpose with load shedding of an hour after every two. 10 Amperes is a good charging rate for batteries with capacity varying from 150AMP-HR to 200AMP-HR, it should be able to charge the batteries in hour or two maximum.

@Tahir : i had worst experience with Osaka and many people also state same.Any way you need to check is your UPs is able to charge the battery?Attach voltmeter to battery and see how much current it is retaining.also buy an amp meter and cehck how much amps UPS is providing to battery? and i assume as the battery is new so no need to check the gravity at this time.1st do above two and that will tell whether the battery or UPS is faulty

[whiteangel]

Any information on de sulfation of less used batteries?

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I am in the process of de-sulphating one of my batteries with Epsom salt. It was giving low back-up time. Its a 200AH Osaka. I have put it on slow charge followed by slow discharge. Let me cycle it a few times and then I will post the results of the de-sulphation.