Maintaining UPS/car batteries

[COOLTAHIR]

@tahir : i had worst experience with Osaka and many people also state same.Any way you need to check is your UPs is able to charge the battery?Attach voltmeter to battery and see how much current it is retaining.also buy an amp meter and cehck how much amps UPS is providing to battery? and i assume as the battery is new so no need to check the gravity at this time.1st do above two and that will tell whether the battery or UPS is faulty

Bro iam attaching pics of new ups new bettery Nd old ups

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[COOLTAHIR]

Bro iam attaching pics of new ups new bettery Nd old ups

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Now these are pics.
The power matic ups is 5 years old and gives 1-1.5 hour backup.
The appolo ups which i bought last week gives only half hour backup and stopped when volts reaches at 210-220 while the old ups drag better to its dead end means till 0 volts
kindly tell me what to do im very new to ups there is some settings in new ups which i dont understand how to set them

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[deltoid61]

@tahir : Look man we cant judge these UPs or the batteries by seeing their pics,you need voltmeter,amp meter and hydrometer to diagnose what is wrong in your system components.Its not hard,just buy them,total cost will be under Rs 1000 and you will be able to take care of your UPS systems better

[COOLTAHIR]

@tahir : Look man we cant judge these UPs or the batteries by seeing their pics,you need voltmeter,amp meter and hydrometer to diagnose what is wrong in your system components.Its not hard,just buy them,total cost will be under Rs 1000 and you will be able to take care of your UPS systems better

Ok will buy but just tell me that there are options in new ups that charging @15 amp-20amp i selected 15 amp is this correct or i change the charging current and second it has options inverter or ups i choosed ups is this correct

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[talhawaleed]

Ok will buy but just tell me that there are options in new ups that charging @15 amp-20amp i selected 15 amp is this correct or i change the charging current and second it has options inverter or ups i choosed ups is this correct

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15amp looks like a better choice as you have only two options with battery of N220, verify the cut off and mostly likely you are experiencing issues because of bad electrolyte.

you also need to verify the health of your battery.

[COOLTAHIR]

15amp looks like a better choice as you have only two options with battery of N220, verify the cut off and mostly likely you are experiencing issues because of bad electrolyte.

you also need to verify the health of your battery.

Ab lagta hy generator lena parega koi hal nahi nikal rHa

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[deltoid61]

Osaka,osaka and osaka.i once did terrible mistake of buying it,and whole year i went through the condition you are undergoing.before buying generator do buy the meters and 1st check the battery as your 2 UPS cannot be simultaneously wrong.Dont worry of one is not charging we will attach both to charge but 1st you need to confirm where the fault lies

[talhawaleed]

i have a ques !
i have bought a new osaka 220 bettery my preivious ags 200 was ver old used it for 1.5 year
now the problem im facing is it charges 3-4 hours and light goes for used for 2 hours with 1-2 fans 2 energy savers after but it does not last long for more than 1 or 1.5 hour and bettery dies what could be the problem i have two ups 1 is 4-5 years old and other is bought one week before the new ups is apollo b it only last for max half an hour and the old one for 1 or 1.5 hour
kindly tell me a soloution how could a battery dies after 1 hour with 1 fan and 2 saver even it is charged for 3-4 hours

Advice:

Immediately claim the battery under warranty, try to get hold of load tester and perform load testing on the battery once it is fully charged and see if it passes the test. if it does passes then try to tune your UPS and get a good electrolyte.

If it fails then Do your home work, as I remember that once I went to claim my brand new Volta battery on warrantee, I showed him results of all the tests and volta 175 provided back up for 15 minutes then voltage on battery terminal dropped rapidly from 12V to 5 Volts within next 2 minutes and it also failed the load testing.

Instead of listening to me, he started to throw entire blame on faulty UPS, insisted that battery still has life and that he will not claim it. He further went on saying that if ever they start to claim batteries on warrantee then they will go bankrupt. See, if you can recover as much money as you can and try to switch to phoenix UGS series and stay away from this brand in future.

[COOLTAHIR]

Advice:

Immediately claim the battery under warranty, try to get hold of load tester and perform load testing on the battery once it is fully charged and see if it passes the test. if it does passes then try to tune your UPS and get a good electrolyte.

If it fails then Do your home work, as I remember that once I went to claim my brand new Volta battery on warrantee, I showed him results of all the tests and volta 175 provided back up for 15 minutes then voltage on battery terminal dropped rapidly from 12V to 5 Volts within next 2 minutes and it also failed the load testing.

Instead of listening to me, he started to throw entire blame on faulty UPS, insisted that battery still has life and that he will not claim it. He further went on saying that if ever they start to claim batteries on warrantee then they will go bankrupt. See, if you can recover as much money as you can and try to switch to phoenix UGS series and stay away from this brand in future.

Thankx bro now i am taking battery to the mechanic to check it and get it charged fullh then i will check that how much backup its giving me after full charge

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[HellsGuardian]

Advice:

Immediately claim the battery under warranty, try to get hold of load tester and perform load testing on the battery once it is fully charged and see if it passes the test. if it does passes then try to tune your UPS and get a good electrolyte.

If it fails then Do your home work, as I remember that once I went to claim my brand new Volta battery on warrantee, I showed him results of all the tests and volta 175 provided back up for 15 minutes then voltage on battery terminal dropped rapidly from 12V to 5 Volts within next 2 minutes and it also failed the load testing.

Instead of listening to me, he started to throw entire blame on faulty UPS, insisted that battery still has life and that he will not claim it. He further went on saying that if ever they start to claim batteries on warrantee then they will go bankrupt. See, if you can recover as much money as you can and try to switch to phoenix UGS series and stay away from this brand in future.

how is their service and return policy? I had a volta, it was giving similar problems after one month. I went back to dealer and told him symptoms. He did the load test which it failed so he said i will flush and charge it again. Now i don't know what he did to battery but afterwards the battery was perfect and holding charge well.

It is still with me(since i bought new one) lying in the store but the voltage on terminals is still 12.2v. Kindly note it has been disconnected since December 2013

[talhawaleed]

how is their service and return policy? I had a volta, it was giving similar problems after one month. I went back to dealer and told him symptoms. He did the load test which it failed so he said i will flush and charge it again. Now i don't know what he did to battery but afterwards the battery was perfect and holding charge well.

It is still with me(since i bought new one) lying in the store but the voltage on terminals is still 12.2v. Kindly note it has been disconnected since December 2013

• They have no Return policy, all depends upon the dealer as in my case he refused to take it back even though I proved it that it was bad. He must have changed the electrolyte in it as previous electrolyte must be of very bad quality and he did it on time that’s why able to save the battery.

[stonedsaint]

just to share my experience .....

1 FB 165AH (2 years used) (attaining 14 volts in 10 mins and discharging in 5 mins)
1 Excide N245 (1year and 4 months used)
1 Excide N190 (1 year used)
1 osaka 175 (1 year used)

They were not attaining 14 volts (charge full) ! so heating up from past few days, are with some friends and 1 at my home.
Me along friends procure AGS 1250 Sg electrolyte from Abpara AGS dealer .... and few about 20 liters from Modern battery melody Excide dealer ....
Flushed the battery the same procedure mentioned above and filled with new 1250 sg electrolyte and put on slow charge using external chargers at about 8 amps.....

Not even a single battery recovered !!! strange !!!!

[epigenius]

i have 2 AGS 110 ah batteries with an inverex 24v ups,they have been running great from last 3 years(periodically checked) since batteries are old back up is down to 55 minutes (heavy load shedding) and they are not getting more than 2 hours for charge
wether or not flushing or something else increase my back up by 10 minutes(since each load shedding episode is no more then 1 hour 5 minutes at my place,since i want them to last another month or so until loadshedding decreases and they would get proper charge (hence increased back up )so that i would buy new batteries right at the start of next season

[talhawaleed]

just to share my experience .....

1 FB 165AH (2 years used) (attaining 14 volts in 10 mins and discharging in 5 mins)
1 Excide N245 (1year and 4 months used)
1 Excide N190 (1 year used)
1 osaka 175 (1 year used)

They were not attaining 14 volts (charge full) ! so heating up from past few days, are with some friends and 1 at my home.
Me along friends procure AGS 1250 Sg electrolyte from Abpara AGS dealer .... and few about 20 liters from Modern battery melody Excide dealer ....
Flushed the battery the same procedure mentioned above and filled with new 1250 sg electrolyte and put on slow charge using external chargers at about 8 amps.....

Not even a single battery recovered !!! strange !!!!

“ your issue is most likely Sulfation “

This happens once charging rate is very high or above AMP-HR rating/10 or is very less, cutoff voltages not properly setup and can also happen because of bad electrolyte.

Same thing happened with my Osaka batteries within first six months of purchase as I did not had an access to good electrolyte and had to rely on dirty one filled by the shop. Later flush proved useless and had to get rid of the batteries

[talhawaleed]

i have 2 AGS 110 ah batteries with an inverex 24v ups,they have been running great from last 3 years(periodically checked) since batteries are old back up is down to 55 minutes (heavy load shedding) and they are not getting more than 2 hours for charge
wether or not flushing or something else increase my back up by 10 minutes(since each load shedding episode is no more then 1 hour 5 minutes at my place,since i want them to last another month or so until loadshedding decreases and they would get proper charge (hence increased back up )so that i would buy new batteries right at the start of next season

3 years is a good time, light flush may do a trick and will increase a backup time since batteries in your case is not dying of sulfation. Backup time which will increase will be temporary in your case as I believe batteries may have lived the useful life.

[unstopabl3]

@Tahir : Look man we cant judge these UPs or the batteries by seeing their pics,you need voltmeter,amp meter and hydrometer to diagnose what is wrong in your system components.Its not hard,just buy them,total cost will be under Rs 1000 and you will be able to take care of your UPS systems better

Bro please advice from where to purchase these devices and which brand and prices???

I've seen a Voltmeter+Ampmeter combo devices online, would that be better instead of getting two separate meters???

Also the hydrometer you are referring to is the manual one which has a sucker right??? Jo sab batteries wale use karte hain to check the gravity???

Great thread @talhawaleed bhai

[HellsGuardian]

Bro please advice from where to purchase these devices and which brand and prices???

I've seen a Voltmeter+Ampmeter combo devices online, would that be better instead of getting two separate meters???

Also the hydrometer you are referring to is the manual one which has a sucker right??? Jo sab batteries wale use karte hain to check the gravity???

Great thread @talhawaleed bhai

Yes its that sucker lol
The one u saying combo is clamp meter and those are expensive (2k+)
But u can buy a voltmeter too at 500rupees (meters by uni-t are good)
Voltmeter can help u identify problems (not all though)

[mafiaoso]

Can we use AC Water in batteries? in which quantity ?
If we store it in a bottle etc.
Can u post some pictures.

[unstopabl3]

Yes its that sucker lol
The one u saying combo is clamp meter and those are expensive (2k+)
But u can buy a voltmeter too at 500rupees (meters by uni-t are good)
Voltmeter can help u identify problems (not all though)

How much is this sucker brand new?
Which brand of combo meter ( volt+amp meter ) is reliable???

Lastly where in Lahore to get these easily???

Thanks

[HellsGuardian]

How much is this sucker brand new?
Which brand of combo meter ( volt+amp meter ) is reliable???

Lastly where in Lahore to get these easily???

Thanks

I guess from hall road, "UNI-T" is good brand... It should look something like this:

You measure the current (amps) by turning the knob to appropriate setting (DC amps) and then you press the lever so that hook opens up, place it around one wire of your ups to battery and it will show you the current flowing through.
For voltage, set the setting to DC volts and using probes (wires that come with it) you touch the positive and negative terminal and read the voltage on display

and hydrometer (sucker as you call it) is hardly 100-200

Since i think you are new, be extra careful when working with electricity, its extremely dangerous and can give you a bad shock.
Even a 12v battery can cause fire if you manage to short the terminals (e.g when opening one terminal, you accidental hit the wrench on second terminal causing a short circuit so always cover the other terminal with some insulator)