Motorcycle Engine Oils

[Automotorsport_Lover]

Have someone ever tried good synthetic?
May be companies are confident that these synthetics can maintain viscosity longer so need not to make them too thick, that's why we see synthetics always in thinner grades.
I believe @r1 bro have some experience with Motul 5W-40 fully synthetic.

UPDATE:

Have just found Mobil1 V-Twin 20w-50 fully synthetic on the net! It's for larger bikes but they say it is wet clutch safe.... It is also jaso ma!!

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[amjad635]

oh, that's expensive :o
you better use it for 2000Km drain interval to make it up

the shop owner said sir these courier companies charge high and he is right
he said i can ship through cargo service it will take some days and other
problem is order is small so in cargo it may get lost or damaged so that is why
courier service is safe i am really being crazy to try out this oil so thats why
i thought ignore the expensiveness after all i have no other option
this is my only way to purchase this oil
yeah Gull bhai inshAllah will use it for 2000km
but i wish it perform well in my bike & i hope i fill accurate quantity

kya lique moly gujrat main available hai ? kuch din baad mera lahore chakar lage ga where is the authorise shop in lahore ?

Naseer bro check out this post #79their on bill paper you can find address of liqui lahore dealer

why blaming synthetics for clutch slippage???
I am sure even liquy moly will have great line up of synthetics for bike usage.
Now if Kixx is causing slippage isn't simply because it is semisynthetic. There is something else going on here. If it says JASO MA on the box, then it should never cause slippage, be it semi or fully synthetic.
So you can say that Kixx isn't actually giving what is written on the box.

Gull bhai aapke baat mein dum hai practically this zic being API SL
yet should not be cause of clutch as it is jaso ma certified means safe for wet clutch
i think its some thing wrong with kixx it is not actually jaso ma certified

Amjad bhai isn't ZIC imported oil? It says made in KOREA at the back.

Ansee bhai don't know but it might be but yaar i am having doubt on kixx being imported oil
i doubt if these are imported engine oils expamples kixx & as you said Zic
liqui moly packing & price itself shows it is an imported oil

I read somewhere the friction modifiers are added to SM and SN grade oils. SG, SJ and SL don't have them and are safe for wet clutch of bikes. Could anyone kindly confirm it with references and oblige?

i have shared some info of net from a motorcycle forum in which guy
clearly says API SL without doubt contain friction modifiers
i can't comment about others but i think yeah they also may be

[ammarzahid]

why blaming synthetics for clutch slippage???
I am sure even liquy moly will have great line up of synthetics for bike usage.
Now if Kixx is causing slippage isn't simply because it is semisynthetic. There is something else going on here. If it says JASO MA on the box, then it should never cause slippage, be it semi or fully synthetic.
So you can say that Kixx isn't actually giving what is written on the box.

Actually the problem is that for genuine symth or semi synth oil it has to have ESTER in it. Thats the only sign that proves if the oil is genuinely synthetic or not. Kixx doesnt mention if it has ester in it so its safe to assume it doesnt. Hence its lack lustre performance for your bike. I wasnt critizing synths. I was saying this oil isnt synthetic at all. Not even semi. Without ester, these semi or fully synths are useless
Ester oils are expensive. Eg motul fully synth ester is nearly 1500 per 1L

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[devilskreed]

Actually the problem is that for genuine symth or semi synth oil it has to have ESTER in it. Thats the only sign that proves if the oil is genuinely synthetic or not. Kixx doesnt mention if it has ester in it so its safe to assume it doesnt. Hence its lack lustre performance for your bike. I wasnt critizing synths. I was saying this oil isnt synthetic at all. Not even semi. Without ester, these semi or fully synths are useless
Ester oils are expensive. Eg motul fully synth ester is nearly 1500 per 1L

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Well that oil can be synthetic according to API,if it is not ester based it can be PAO based from API GROUP IV oils,Several petrochemical companies have developed processes involving catalytic conversion of crude oil base stock under high pressures and temperatures in the presence of hydrogen to form very high-quality mineral lubricants, which are known as API Group III, are so highly refined that their properties almost match that of the Group IV synthetics.

So a highly refined crude oil can also be called as synthetic if it has matching qualities of group iv base oils.Hope you information is updated now.

Costly fully synth oils use is only justified for expensive rides,,1.5k oil which has to be drained at max 2k interval irrespective of the oil type/grade is pretty useless and shear waste of money on 125/100cc bikes.

[devilskreed]

Then why previous oil not change its colour

Meri jaan oil changing it colour= the oil is performing its job of removing grime and sludge..the oil that does not change its colour is not performing well.

[gull_s_777]

Several petrochemical companies have developed processes involving catalytic conversion of crude oil base stock under high pressures and temperatures in the presence of hydrogen to form very high-quality mineral lubricants, which are known as API Group III, are so highly refined that their properties almost match that of the Group IV synthetics.
So a highly refined crude oil can also be called as synthetic if it has matching qualities of group iv base oils.Hope you information is updated now.

API Group III lubricants almost match Group IV synthetics, and are usually worldwide regarded as synthetics also except few countries where it is illegal to call them synthetics . They just regard them as very high quality mineral lubricants.
I believe when you find a product only marginally expensive than mineral oils but has Synthetic written on it then it belongs to API Group III base lubricants. But if it is costing twice/thrice the price then it is from Group IV.
For example Zic 4T synthetic vs Motul Synthetic

[himmi_Pak]

i have use this and bike(HABIB 70 cc) is happy

also have used this one last time and drain at 1300 kms

next time im going for liqui moly for a change. then post the experience

good informative thread !
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Price Around 250-260 for 0.7lt & 350-360 for 1.0lt

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[amjad635]

Yes The Local Oils Performs Very Good But One Need To Make Sure
He Is Purchasing From Authorize Dealer & Getting 1st Copy Oil

These Days It Is Liqui Moly & Liqui Moly On This Thread Please
Note Purpose Of This Thread Is Not To Discourage Use of Local Oils
As I Said Local Oils Works Very Good & They Have Been Wokring Good For
Our Motorcycles Since Years Liqui Moly Is Rather Stuff For Enthusiat Person

So It Depends On User If Some One Can Afford He May Use The Imported Oil
Available In Pakistan For His Bike Else Locals Also Works

[gull_s_777]

After doing much experiments with Junoon and now GS with different grades/viscosities oils, i have concluded one thing that Junoon feels happy on 20W-50 oil while GS prefers thinner oils like 10W-40.

[amjad635]

Gull bro so suzuki recommended oil for GS is fine & works good for it

and bro do you remember but hanif bhatti was saying in one of oil thread discussion
10w40 may make engine a bit noisy but it is nothing wrong with that
i think as par his views thinner is not bad for engine it allows free moments of internal engine parts
engine may feel a bit more noisy as compare to 20w50 grade oils but its not bad for engine
less stress on small engines will increase its life (if i remember his thoughts correctly)

so it is one concept too personally i don't like 10w40 so as you & Automotorsport bro

[bike_junky]

It shouldn't. Even Kixx shouldn't but it does. Can't comment on AX-5 unless i try it.

I wouldn't dare to use a heavy duty diesel engine oil in my bike.

I have just drained shell Advance AX-3 20W-50 after almost 1100kms, and refilled the cg-125 engine with PSO DEO 6000 :-!.
Lets see what happens. Test drive of about 5kms seemed alright. Engine response is better but the tappets sound is same as before. Maybe, tappets are a little bit loose.
Its price is Rs. 390/L where as PSO blaze 4t was for Rs. 355/L. Lets see what happens. I will continuously keep on checking the oil level and for any white smoke.

[amjad635]

Your CG must be producing sound like diesel engine now
I suggest drain it not wise to use diesel engine oil in CG125

[gull_s_777]

Gull bro so suzuki recommended oil for GS is fine & works good for it

and bro do you remember but hanif bhatti was saying in one of oil thread discussion
10w40 may make engine a bit noisy but it is nothing wrong with that
i think as par his views thinner is not bad for engine it allows free moments of internal engine parts
engine may feel a bit more noisy as compare to 20w50 grade oils but its not bad for engine
less stress on small engines will increase its life (if i remember his thoughts correctly)

so it is one concept too personally i don't like 10w40 so as you & Automotorsport bro

Yup suzuki recommended SGO 10W-40 works fine in GS, but it looses its viscosity sooner.
I like the light feeling of bike with SGO. As soon as i pour 20W-50 in it, the feeling is gone.
So 10W-40 is my new interest. I'll try to find a 10W-40 which has better endurance than SGO.

I have just drained shell Advance AX-3 20W-50 after almost 1100kms, and refilled the cg-125 engine with PSO DEO 6000 :-!.
Lets see what happens. Test drive of about 5kms seemed alright. Engine response is better but the tappets sound is same as before. Maybe, tappets are a little bit loose.
Its price is Rs. 390/L where as PSO blaze 4t was for Rs. 355/L. Lets see what happens. I will continuously keep on checking the oil level and for any white smoke.

holy ... you actually did it :o
Man i avoid to use even car engine oil in my bike, and you just went ahead and put a heavy duty diesel engine oil in.
Really i would strongly advise to drain it out, then take a used litre of AX-3 and flush your engine with it and then put a fresh AX-3 in it.

[bike_junky]

Your CG must be producing sound like diesel engine now
I suggest drain it not wise to use diesel engine oil in CG125

Still, the sound is good.

holy ... you actually did it :o
Man i avoid to use even car engine oil in my bike, and you just went ahead and put a heavy duty diesel engine oil in.
Really i would strongly advise to drain it out, then take a used litre of AX-3 and flush your engine with it and then put a fresh AX-3 in it.

You guys are really scaring me. I am . Lagta hai ab 60 say upar nahin chala sakoon ga ab jab tak yay oil change nahi karta. Bhai its written on the box that its API-SG. I don't see any problem in using it. The company is also claiming it can be used both in gasoline and diesel engines.
devilskreed also told that Liqui moly formula super 20W-50 can also be used in mcycle, and its both diesel and petrol engine oil.
I am not draining it out until 1000 kms or engine seizure whichever comes first:D. Allah khair karay ga. If it works fine then next time DEO 8000 use karoon ga.

Here is also an interesting mail from hondacg125.awardspace. I have highlighted the relevant comments.

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Thanks for your email, you may have noticed my homepage has been updated to include Pakistan Honda CG125.
Due to your last email.

  I have been looking at as many countries as possible with this       link.
  <a href='http://world.honda.com/link/index.html'>http://world.honda.com/link/&lt;wbr&gt;index.html</a>

  The country of Peru looks interesting.
  <a href='http://world.honda.com/group/Peru/index.html'>http://world.honda.com/group/&lt;wbr&gt;Peru/index.html</a>
  Notice it has been manufacturing motorcycles since September 2006
  Click on the Honda Motorcycles logo to find their website.

  I know this is not in English, but notice the specifications.
  <a href='http://www.honda.com.pe/productos/content/pagina9.aspx?pIDModel=239&pIDVersion=65&pIDLine=5&gMenu=1&pIDPagina=65&pEstatica=239'>http://www.honda.com.pe/&lt;wbr&gt;productos/content/pagina9.&lt;wbr&gt;aspx?pIDModel=239&pIDVersion=&lt;wbr&gt;65&pIDLine=5&gMenu=1&&lt;wbr&gt;pIDPagina=65&pEstatica=239</a>

  And you can see a picture of it in this link.
  <a href='http://www.honda.com.pe/productos/content/pagina4.aspx?pIDModel=55&pIDLine=5&pIDPagina=65'>http://www.honda.com.pe/&lt;wbr&gt;productos/content/pagina4.&lt;wbr&gt;aspx?pIDModel=55&pIDLine=5&&lt;wbr&gt;pIDPagina=65</a>

  Back to your question about motorcycle oil.
  Here in the UK, most Honda CG125 are used at maximum speed on       60mph (100 kph) roads.
  Only good quality oil will survive those very high continuous       engine revs = around 8000 rpm.
  <font color='#ff0000'>If your roads are much slower and so most of the time you are at       5500 rpm or lower, the oil quality will not be as important.
  Mineral Car Engine Oil for petrol engines has often been used in       the UK when at those low engine revs.</font>
  But that was with old designs of Honda CG125 engines (before Euro       2 emission laws).
  The Euro 2 Engine in the UK and Europe is very sensitive to Oil       quality.
  Because there is a small oil passage that lubricates the top of       the engine.
  If the oil is not thin enough, it can not get through the oil       passage and the engine will seize (very bad).

  <font color='#ff0000'>But you can use Diesel Engine oil.
  But I would change it frequently and make sure you never allow the       oil level to drop below the minimum mark on the oil dip stick.</font>
  And try not to use high engine revs for any sustained period of       time.

  Of course I can not guarantee anything with your engine, since I       have never touched a Pakistan made Honda CG125 before.
  And I have never tried diesel oil in it.
  Best advice is to ask what other people do / have used in it.

  I remember the other famous Honda machines, the scooters like the       C50 and C90 (CUB 50 and CUB 90).
  There are stories of them being run on cooking oil.
  How true they are and how long the engines lasted, I do not know.

[Automotorsport_Lover]

@bike_junky
^^Well, If the oil is API-SG then u can use it, yes if it says that this is for gasoline and diesel engines it means that this is a multi purpose oil..
But it wont be best protection bdw... But no problem using that, just dont be hard on ur bike and drain it on time. Pso blaze 4t was a better suited oil bdw..

This oil is more for generators, lawn mores, golf carts and such small vehicles that can be having diesel and petrol both engines... It's not exactly for engines that gotta be rev-ed high most of the time.
http://www.lubricants.total.com/contact-et-faq/faq.html

Plz read the above link, question no. 3&5

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[faiz.aslam.121]

Just bought LM from FSD today:)
I just got one question, because of the funnel thingy, it is hard to get all of it out(not stingy btw lol:))
Here's a picture since I want exact 1 litre in my engine

[Automotorsport_Lover]

Just bought LM from FSD today:)
I just got one question, because of the funnel thingy, it is hard to get all of it out(not stingy btw lol:))
Here's a picture since I want exact 1 litre in my engine :p

It is already 1ltr? Why did u leave 100ml behind?

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[faiz.aslam.121]

It is already 1ltr? Why did u leave 100ml behind?

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Because of the stupid funnel thing, it is not coming out, i might have to cut it off, then it will pour out:)
You have to squeeze it that's the reason.
Get a tomato ketchup bottle, squeeze everything and you will still have some left inside...

[amjad635]

Automotosport bro how much oil quantity this small "--" representing
and are these marks only till 700ml or there are marks present above too

[amjad635]

Just bought LM from FSD today:)
I just got one question, because of the funnel thingy, it is hard to get all of it out(not stingy btw lol:))
Here's a picture since I want exact 1 litre in my engine

nice do not forget to share your experience with this oil
and bro which bike do you have?

Because of the stupid funnel thing, it is not coming out, i might have to cut it off, then it will pour out:)
You have to squeeze it that's the reason.
Get a tomato ketchup bottle, squeeze everything and you will still have some left inside...

Oh it is very bad than and that is some good quantity oil remaining in bottle
one must fill this whole bottle in engine as 125cc