Myths regarding 660cc Cars

[huzaifa.haroon]

O.B.D???

Well i m not particularly talking about outside body parts. more interested to know whether japanese engine, transmission, brake etc. parts are available for these cars.

On Board Diagnostics , mechanic ko problem dhondnay ki zarurat nahi
Everything is available!

[a_k]

i bought santro just because it was small, and easy to find parking in karachi commercials areas, it petrol consumption with AC in such areas was not less than 1.3 sedan, did not carried any major maintenance not no idea of price difference, i have drove coure of friend, same observations
my other cars at that time were civic 95, liana 08, corolla 82.

i am not buying such small car in foreseeable future unless required otherwise

[mwm749]

Aoa,

660cc cars are popular in Japan as you get tax break.

[arifnoor100]

Salam,
Let me tell you bro that Pakistan and Japan have diff Conditions...JDM Cars will.not feel.good running on Tuff Pakistani Roads..For Paki Conditions I think PDM are Suitable...JDM have low ground clearance as compared to PDM and second Expensive Spares maintenance Issues....My Heart will.never accept to waste 1 miilion on 660CC tiny miny....No Offense

[huzaifa.haroon]

Salam,
Let me tell you bro that Pakistan and Japan have diff Conditions...JDM Cars will.not feel.good running on Tuff Pakistani Roads..For Paki Conditions I think PDM are Suitable...JDM have low ground clearance as compared to PDM and second Expensive Spares maintenance Issues....My Heart will.never accept to waste 1 miilion on 660CC tiny miny....No Offense

They run well on any kind of Surface with no issue's at all

[khalid7shafqat]

I would advise people who say PKDM cars are better than JDMs to please take one JDM for a ride. Any one of em, mira,alto,passo,witz etc...

Khuda k bandun Zameen Aasmaan ka fark hai.
Just drove he Toyota Altis Grande and a Prius 2012 a few days back. My fiend couldnt get me out of the Prius' driver seat while the Altis felt like any old Altis

And for the Pakistan ki roads ka comment. Yahan Khi aao Lahore walun @arifnoor100 Tumhen btate hain clearance issues and khadde JDMs ko duaen doge when you dont feel the urge to go the bathroom everytime you drive

[ZainMahdi]

For all those saying," 660 cc has more power than Cultus and Mehran", do you know how much RPM it needs to attain that power? I am sure that owners of 660 cc cars will be driven mad if they try to run their cars in the 1500-2500 rpm range.

[huzaifa.haroon]

For all those saying," 660 cc has more power than Cultus and Mehran", do you know how much RPM it needs to attain that power? I am sure that owners of 660 cc cars will be driven mad if they try to run their cars in the 1500-2500 rpm range.

Dear , 660cc cars with CVT operate at a low rpm 2500_ 3000 , they are better and more powerful then a mehran or a cultus , have you ever driven one?

[c4capricorn]

less cubic meters does not mean less power but it sure does mean high strain on engine and hence shorter engine life..

[huzaifa.haroon]

less cubic meters does not mean less power but it sure does mean high strain on engine and hence shorter engine life..

That is why they have coupled it with CVT transmission now after 2011

[ZainMahdi]

Dear , 660cc cars with CVT operate at a low rpm 2500_ 3000 , they are better and more powerful then a mehran or a cultus , have you ever driven one?

They may be able to operate at 2.5-3k, and they may be more powerful than Mehran and Cultus. However, they are not more powerful than Mehran or Cultus in that RPM range; they have to rev a harder.

[Xulfiqar]

Dear , 660cc cars with CVT operate at a low rpm 2500_ 3000 , they are better and more powerful then a mehran or a cultus , have you ever driven one?

they also lack one basic requirement...

torque - they have all the torque of a 2 yr old girl's arm at such low rpm. Then all the "powerful" sensation goes down the drain when you come to repair the engine - Im sure all of Pakistan has the answer for me which is "who repairs - throw the engine away and install one from scrap" - yes true but scrap engine is scrap for a reason.

[kalia]

they also lack one basic requirement...

torque - they have all the torque of a 2 yr old girl's arm at such low rpm. Then all the "powerful" sensation goes down the drain when you come to repair the engine - Im sure all of Pakistan has the answer for me which is "who repairs - throw the engine away and install one from scrap" - yes true but scrap engine is scrap for a reason.

Seriously, why are we all fighting here.

[huzaifa.haroon]

They may be able to operate at 2.5-3k, and they may be more powerful than Mehran and Cultus. However, they are not more powerful than Mehran or Cultus in that RPM range; they have to rev a harder.

Oh yaar bas kr de , read engine specs lol

They are quipped with new engine , not with 1980s technology

[huzaifa.haroon]

they also lack one basic requirement...

torque - they have all the torque of a 2 yr old girl's arm at such low rpm. Then all the "powerful" sensation goes down the drain when you come to repair the engine - Im sure all of Pakistan has the answer for me which is "who repairs - throw the engine away and install one from scrap" - yes true but scrap engine is scrap for a reason.

It's not scrap for the reason that it's not working but instead when cars get involve in a accident Japanese scrap the cars!
And new \ old none are meant to be overhauled!
These engine can run for over 300 000 km
Not just 150 000 like a mehran engine

[ZainMahdi]

Oh yaar bas kr de , read engine specs lol

They are quipped with new engine , not with 1980s technology

All that modern technology can patch up the horsepower problem, but not the torque problem. There is simply no replacement for displacement. Even a 1.6 Civic feels weedy at low RPM when loaded with 5 adults and luggage. Kahan 1.6 aur kahan 0.66.

[huzaifa.haroon]

All that modern technology can patch up the horsepower problem, but not the torque problem. There is simply no replacement for displacement. Even a 1.6 Civic feels weedy at low RPM when loaded with 5 adults and luggage. Kahan 1.6 aur kahan 0.66.

Agr torque chahye tou hybrid gari chala lo!
Only motors can deliver torque at low RPM!
Daihatsu 660cc engine
Max output : 43/7,200
Max Torque : 65/4000

With turbo

Max output: 47/6000
Max torque : 103/3000

Vs Mehran

Max output :29.4/5500
Max Torque : 59/3000

Now lets talk on facts!

[usman_arooq2]

Agr torque chahye tou hybrid gari chala lo!
Only motors can deliver torque at low RPM!
Daihatsu 660cc engine
Max output : 43/7,200
Max Torque : 65/4000

With turbo

Max output: 47/6000
Max torque : 103/3000

Vs Mehran

Max output :29.4/5500
Max Torque : 59/3000

Now lets talk on facts!

these are peak figures. the 660cc do have barney stinson(wait for IT) like characteristics. can u post torque at 2000 rpm for all these or complete torque curve diagram??

[ZainMahdi]

Agr torque chahye tou hybrid gari chala lo!
Only motors can deliver torque at low RPM!
Daihatsu 660cc engine
Max output : 43/7,200 <------- PS
Max Torque : 65/4000

With turbo

Max output: 47/6000
Max torque : 103/3000

Vs Mehran

Max output :29.4/5500 <-------KW
Max Torque : 59/3000

Now lets talk on facts!

You listed the readings in different units
Mehran produces 39.5 HP at a decent 5500 rpm. Due to its relatively flat torque curve, it can access most of its power in the low-mid rpm ranges; i.e. normal driving.

Daihatsu produces 43 HP at an outrageous 7200 rpm. It has to spin at 1k rpm (4k vs 3k) higher to access its peak torque output. My point exactly. Try driving it in the 4k-7.5k range in every day driving, and then see exactly how 'reliable' it can be.

As for the turbo, it is better compared to a turbocharged Mehran (Alto Works JDM) than the normal NA motor. I also assume that you read the post by Xulfiqar about overheating the turbo on the motorway.

[whiteangel]

Agr torque chahye tou hybrid gari chala lo!
Only motors can deliver torque at low RPM!
Daihatsu 660cc engine
Max output : 43/7,200
Max Torque : 65/4000

With turbo

Max output: 47/6000
Max torque : 103/3000

Vs Mehran

Max output :29.4/5500
Max Torque : 59/3000

Now lets talk on facts!

Thanks for bringing some facts into the equation.

Also something that people often overlook is the power to weight ratio. A Mehran made with Dalda tin is much lighter than a 660cc JDM. A 2010 Mira weights between 750-820 kgs depending on the grade. Now that give the Mira a power to weight ratio of about 0.025.

Does anyone know how much a Mehran weighs?