***Rebuilding my VW 1303 Superbeetle***

[Storm]

@kiani1
in your case i'll suggest you avoid page 15 of this thread as it has alot of pics (that's why i stuck to just one post instead of spreading the pics over many posts).

I will start getting this engine cleaned up and stripped once the body work goes a little further so it'll all be ready at the same time. I'm just a little hesitant at the moment since i'm trying to get another engine. no use in rebulding this one if i'm going to change it eventually, but if i don't find a 1700 then i guess i'll have to just make do with this one for the time being.

Most likely if i stick to this engine (1300) i'll be either fitting dual carbs (either 30, 31 or 34's, no larger), or a very small turbo to it to help with bottom end torque a bit, but i'm not done with the calculations at the moment, will be relying heavily on Racerf1 & f2 for this since they know more about custom applications than i do.

either way i'm not going for a "race" or "fast road" setup, rather i'm just aiming to make the most of the engine (more efficient use of each combustion cycle)

BTW i should point out that 44HP in a beetle is enough to beat a cultus on petrol due to weight (proven with agha300 in my last 1500cc beetle), and 44hp can push a basic beetle to 85mph given a long enough run (like F5).

the reason i'm going for a larger engine is basically (for example) instead of tuning up a D16, i'll start with a B16,... if you know what i mean.

also i should point out that 66hp in a beetle is enough to make VTi drivers wonder what they hell is chasing them...

[kiani1]

@ Storm

I know you dont Race and Beetle's are more of a love affair than a Purpose built Racer ! Dont you think ??!

But I feel that even if you dont race, the car must have the power to be called a Super Beetle ! Twin Webers will do the Job I think but it'll have alot of fabrication involved like Adapter plates and stuff.

ANd most webers can handle the boost without modifications unlike stock carby's ! Keep Us Updated !

[Storm]

@kiani1
the 1303L weighs 890KGs, do keep that in mind. The key point to note about the Superbeetle is the larger interior, better handling and superior gearing. the 1.6L 1302 & 1303 were strong enough performers to keep up with many cars of their time (and they made do with 50hp), my final target is 100 - 120hp which will be very easy with a bored out 1700cc (to approx 2.1L) when you consider the porsche 550 spyder only had a 1500 and knocked out between 110 and 150 hp from it's 4cam carrera motor back in 1948 depending on it's state of tune.

as for webers, a set of dual 44IDFs is setting me back $530.00 from the US (vee dubs parts unlimited) and yes they are planned, but not till i actually go and get them myself.

To give you an idea as to how far i'll be going with this beast, when it's done i will have spent over 4.5 lacks on it, but since i'll be doing these things over a few years it won't hurt the pocket much.

[kiani1]

@ Storm

Good Luck With It !

[Storm]

thanks, hopefully it'll be "on the road" by the end of summer 07.

[fahadullah]

good luck sameer bhai you have sum great plans for this bugg keep it up

[Storm]

@timelessfahad
lemme know if any of you guys ever come accross a good 1700 with hydraulic tappets.i'll be on the next flight.

[Skullbox]

@Storm

Excellent Coverage Sameer Bhai! its been a while since i last logged in. The project sure has gained some momentum. good to see that.they sure r puttin a lot of effort into it. And the car needs a lot of work. gud to see that u r getting everything done in gr8 detail. The last i saw the car it was parked under that tree.

[Skullbox]

Nd ur plannin to keep the exterior stock and original right?? let it be a silent hawk. coz with the mods on the engine ur plannin. Asal maza to tab hee ayay ga when the car gives a tough time to the civics and the rollas looking all original and stock.

[Storm]

@skullbox
as a true VW enthusiast and owner you appreciate the power of te 1.6L boxer engine (like in salmans car) now imagine a 1.7 with dual carbs,... i think when kiani1 sits in it he'll realize what i was talking about in terms of performance....

Hope to join you there some time.

[gem_guy]

Woah...Gr8 coverage storm bhai!...

120HP!!:O...
Thats alot...and thats AWESOME!!...
But a 1.7 bored out to 2.1l...wont it be heavy at the rear?

I hope SUPERBEETLE lives upto your expectations!!
Keep it up(y)

[Skullbox]

@storm

Yeah 100% right!.People actually tend to underestimate the power and performance of a bug. Kehtay hain foxy hi haina ji.But it sure can give a tuff time to other cars so what if its 40 or 50 years old. And yeah i drove salman's car and it was pretty fast. And i can imagine wot will dual carbs do to the 1.7l engine u r planning to put in it. And do let me know whenever u go to khalids in the near future. i'll definitely try to join u Inshallah.Need to see this baby.

[Storm]

@gem_guy
the 1.7L doent weigh much more than the 1.3 in it already (it's about the same as a 1.6L in weight which shares the same suspension as my car), my ideal target is 120 at the crank, (approx 90-95 at the wheels due to the old drivetrain), i'm also hoping that it lives up to my expectations (it'll be a tribute to my 265/285hp golfs)

@skullbox
Hopefully tomorrow i'l take the day off and go there and spend some time with them since this build requires alot of my attention.

[Storm]

Update 02-04-06

One side floors (18 guage) are already stamped and fit into the car, other side will be done either tonight or tomorrow morning. will be visiting the workshop tomorrow.

[kiani1]

@ Storm

[highlight] Bhai jee, Whatever I say doesnt mean anything as my experience is ZERO compared to you'rs and I have a tendency to learn things the hard way.

Our (Junior Members) ECU's (brains) are in Learning Mode !

Hope You Have Fun With It ! Btw, how much does the bug weigh with the engine and everythin in it? Cheerz ! [/highlight]

[Storm]

@kiani1
nah dude i think you took my post wrong. that's not what i was trying to say. still i'm still in learning mode too.

the "leergewicht" or "Unladen weight" is 890kg for the 1303 saloon (cabrio is 930kg)

[kiani1]

Nahee Nahee Sir !

Actually, I was trying to tell you that I know NOTHING abt Beetles and their Engines !

And have alot to learn abt them !

And anyways, KW & HP figures dont mean alot these days ! What matters alot is the other variables, like Wieight, Aerodynamic Shape & Stability, Aerodynamic Drag, Tyre Size, Suspension and blah blah blah which determines which car might be faster ! And I've learnt this stuff frm You!

Cheerz ! Hoping To See The Final Result !

[Storm]

1303's ar probably the most aerodynamic type1's but that isn't saying mch since they have more drag than a bedford!

with the right setup they can be quite stable , i'll be fitting new suspension and thicker anti roll bars as well as (possibly) the following:

Rims: 7.5 x 17
Tyres: 215/45R17

as well as dropping the ride height a little. to be honest the 1st 2 gears will be very short but on a rolling start (due to the bottom end torque) this car should be able to hold its own,.. but not till i fit a 1.7. the (current) 1.3 is a little long winded.

Even though it'll be a 1.7 you have to note that the engine will have 1940's technology so it shouldn't be compared to modern 1.7's, rather to modern 1.0's like the one in the 1SZ-FE in terms of output.

If i can get this baby to beat my wifes car it'll be enough for me....

[kiani1]

Ohhh So Now I Get It!

Your pumping 5 lakhs into this project just to beat BHABHEE JEE's/Auntee Jee's (whatever prefferable) Bug !

Acha Jee ! What if she challenges you to race with her Vitz ?! What if she beats u by running nitrous shots ! Possibilities of Besti are endless ! lol !

Consider a thread saying Auntie Storm Beats Poor Uncle Sam ! ! lol ! I fear that day wont be far away now !

Good Luck With It Sir apart frm my Jokes !

[gem_guy]

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