Ssangyong Rexton

[imran2d]

Dear members, I see some Rexton Adds here on pak Wheels also saw a couple of Rexton Suvs on Motorway, does anybody have idea how is the car repute in pakistan, are there proper dealers available as it has got Mercedens Benz engine and gear box?

[Xulfiqar]

These things have fantastic engines and trannys with a delphi diesel control system, They have so much torque that it pulls like a cargo train gaining speed.

The sad part is that baboo, ullu, nanna, bawla, idiot ustaad mechanics dont have proper tools to repair these and neither do they know how to repair them, thats why "FAIL" technology comes to be heard.

e.g. nearly all of them have broken off glow plugs and to drill out requires a special extraction tool set that has a few guiding bores, drill bits, taps, and pullers.

OR

you remove the head, which will require the injector puller slide hammer (if you dont have it and try to pull out a CDI injector you will break it off ($$$ <-- heart attack) and then would require special sockets to undo the head itself, the timing gearcase tools and stay pieces are a separate story.

The above is the reason why our mechanics with their love for swaps are using Toyota 1KD and toyota 1KZ diesels in these, some have even put toyota sedan petrol engines in them.

Its quite a sad case

[imran2d]

These things have fantastic engines and trannys with a delphi diesel control system, They have so much torque that it pulls like a cargo train gaining speed.

The sad part is that baboo, ullu, nanna, bawla, idiot ustaad mechanics dont have proper tools to repair these and neither do they know how to repair them, thats why "FAIL" technology comes to be heard.

e.g. nearly all of them have broken off glow plugs and to drill out requires a special extraction tool set that has a few guiding bores, drill bits, taps, and pullers.

OR

you remove the head, which will require the injector puller slide hammer (if you dont have it and try to pull out a CDI injector you will break it off ($$$ <-- heart attack) and then would require special sockets to undo the head itself, the timing gearcase tools and stay pieces are a separate story.

The above is the reason why our mechanics with their love for swaps are using Toyota 1KD and toyota 1KZ diesels in these, some have even put toyota sedan petrol engines in them.

Its quite a sad case

OOOOOOO, SAD! means People change the engine of Rexton in Pakistan, very Sad it has the world's best mechine (Mercedes Benz) and only Benz mechanic can have some idea as I think some special tools are required for maintenance, any way means Original and well kept Rexton in pakistan is difficult to find, Sad to know that people throw benz and use toyota and look for CNG then.

[Xulfiqar]

yes they have got mercedes benz CDI engines and like every engine they do require some special tools to service, like a small slide hammer to pull the injectors from the head, proper tools to measure the 27000 psi fuel pressure in the fuel rail.

The problem I always saw in Pakistan and I hated it thoroughly was people trying to shortcut repairs (jugaar). e.g. The 1.7 Fiat Uno diesel requires a cam locking tool to align the cam to TDC when installing the timing belt because the cam pulley is vernier style and has about 35 degrees freeplay in it to account for head facing. Our mechanics try to eyeball it and the engine would sound like a tractor, smoke black, start very slowly etc etc.

Similarly the 1KD toyota engines have glow plugs 10 inches long which also break in the head if you remove them cold (and no mechanic in Pakistan wants to work on a hot engine) - to remove the broken plug a similar toolset like MB is required to drill and pull it out.

In the end - its termed as fail technology - I do know that certain tools are expensive to buy but you can make copies of them if you want to, e.g. I had a copy of the MB slide hammer for CDI engines (I only used it once - but I had it - because it was my business to have it)

As long as we have the cheap mentality of doing what we do best, approach everything with a hammer - we will be stuck in Mehran, FX, corolla, civic land with bad economy.

[imran2d]

yes they have got mercedes benz CDI engines and like every engine they do require some special tools to service, like a small slide hammer to pull the injectors from the head, proper tools to measure the 27000 psi fuel pressure in the fuel rail.

The problem I always saw in Pakistan and I hated it thoroughly was people trying to shortcut repairs (jugaar). e.g. The 1.7 Fiat Uno diesel requires a cam locking tool to align the cam to TDC when installing the timing belt because the cam pulley is vernier style and has about 35 degrees freeplay in it to account for head facing. Our mechanics try to eyeball it and the engine would sound like a tractor, smoke black, start very slowly etc etc.

Similarly the 1KD toyota engines have glow plugs 10 inches long which also break in the head if you remove them cold (and no mechanic in Pakistan wants to work on a hot engine) - to remove the broken plug a similar toolset like MB is required to drill and pull it out.

In the end - its termed as fail technology - I do know that certain tools are expensive to buy but you can make copies of them if you want to, e.g. I had a copy of the MB slide hammer for CDI engines (I only used it once - but I had it - because it was my business to have it)

As long as we have the cheap mentality of doing what we do best, approach everything with a hammer - we will be stuck in Mehran, FX, corolla, civic land with bad economy.

Thanks for your input, though I have Ssangyong Rexton RX320 petrol, I maintain it from its dealer and it is in very good shape,but I had a dream to have one in Pakistan but the situation is not practical there.

some people think that pakistani mechanic is good than european or american but in real they have designed these things and they never go shortcut and they always use proper methods as you mentioned they use special tools to change timing belt for Fiat.

[Xulfiqar]

Thanks for your input, though I have Ssangyong Rexton RX320 petrol, I maintain it from its dealer and it is in very good shape,but I had a dream to have one in Pakistan but the situation is not practical there.

some people think that pakistani mechanic is good than european or american but in real they have designed these things and they never go shortcut and they always use proper methods as you mentioned they use special tools to change timing belt for Fiat.

usual ustaad shaagird Pakistani mechanics are not very good - that is what I have seen myself, They do not want to learn their trade to polish it up, they do not want to invest in good tools either - whether they are in Pakistan or elsewhere.

The educated bunch are very good but their customers are very limited because they charge big money.

[imran2d]

usual ustaad shaagird Pakistani mechanics are not very good - that is what I have seen myself, They do not want to learn their trade to polish it up, they do not want to invest in good tools either - whether they are in Pakistan or elsewhere.

The educated bunch are very good but their customers are very limited because they charge big money.

I agree with you but My brother have dealt with Toyota and Honda company service centers in Karachi, he feels that the working culture is not much different there but they have proper tools and they are in uniform.
I am going to start a new thread on a problem with my Toyota 2.0D please guide me there. the thread is Toyota 2.0D hot starting issue.

[Xulfiqar]

only some dealerships have proper mechanics, most of them have a half hearted approach anyway. I was the special on call tech for some dealerships for really twisted problems mostly including wiring, auto transmissions, EPS, HVAC etc..

True that they have proper tools and presses, and I have seen a dealership mechanic install a wheel bearing in a knuckle with a 10 ton press and pressed it in by pressing the centre race <-- this technique ruins the bearings.

[deadonice]

These things have fantastic engines and trannys with a delphi diesel control system, They have so much torque that it pulls like a cargo train gaining speed.

The sad part is that baboo, ullu, nanna, bawla, idiot ustaad mechanics dont have proper tools to repair these and neither do they know how to repair them, thats why "FAIL" technology comes to be heard.

e.g. nearly all of them have broken off glow plugs and to drill out requires a special extraction tool set that has a few guiding bores, drill bits, taps, and pullers.

OR

you remove the head, which will require the injector puller slide hammer (if you dont have it and try to pull out a CDI injector you will break it off ($$$ <-- heart attack) and then would require special sockets to undo the head itself, the timing gearcase tools and stay pieces are a separate story.

The above is the reason why our mechanics with their love for swaps are using Toyota 1KD and toyota 1KZ diesels in these, some have even put toyota sedan petrol engines in them.

Its quite a sad case

LOL @

The sad part is that baboo, ullu, nanna, bawla, idiot ustaad mechanics
HAHAHAHA xD

[aqs29]

Rexton's are a constant headache if u r not a mechanic ur self

[Xulfiqar]

Rexton's are a constant headache if u r not a mechanic ur self

nope - the problem is that the mechanic you are taking it to owning a little khoka of a shop with worn out cheap chinese tools doesnt have the foggiest idea how to repair it.

e.g.

lets say you own a Mercedes benz 300D (1981) W123 series - and need to replace its front crank seal, You take it to your favorite mechanic who does not take into consideration the long term consequences of bad repair because he does not know the correct way.

He would remove the pulley by levering it off as an assembly install the new seal with a hammer and try to drive the pulley back onto its old dowel pins. It may sound correct but its not. The seal will leak as it wont be riding on the replaceable sealing journal of the crank (you need a plastic shim to make the seal install on the journal), the pulley and balancer are separate pieces and the balancer is installed first then NEW dowel pins hammered in place to locate the pulley to the crank snout. Then the belt part of the pulley is bolted on and the bolts tightened.

If the correct procedure is not followed, the dowel pin bosses become enlarged due to harmonic vibration and the crank becomes good as scrap metal, further driving thusly kills the engine in short time. So who is at fault here, Mercedes Benz, the owner or the mechanic?

[spectra]

Actually Japanese are at fault for simplifying things which stopped the learning process for most local mechanics who shifted from bedfords to cars to earn a better living

[Xulfiqar]

Its not the Japanese either, They still have really complex machines requiring some training to work on like the Subaru boxer engines, if you dont know the access ports for undoing the piston pin locks and pulling out the small ends you will have an awful time trying to dismantle it, Even the Subaru J-10 engine timing belt alignment, balancer alignment and water/oil pump installation requires a learning process otherwise a 2 hour job becomes a 2 day job with most bits n pieces messed up.

The problem is lack of pursuit of knowledge, and easy availability of entire assys as spare parts which are thrown at the car in an effort to repair. That is why the most "kaamyab" models of vehicles in Pakistan are the ones whose spares are loaded in markets like Shershah Karachi, Bilal Ganj Lahore, Sultan da Khoo Rwp and Shoba in Psh.

We are a country where brands like Subaru as considered "naazuk" - LOL- subarus can take any sort of torture you can throw at them, no matter even if its their tiny J-10 hatchback.

[spectra]

Have seen subarus, mazda, nissan and many mitsubishis made mechanics cry and give up toyota chalta hai bas

[spectra]

Ssangyong had isses with common rail fuel system that I know off but they supposedly change a few bits on later cars including injectors which solved the problem. Great machines and 5 cylinder diesel CRDi is sweet and charming to drive. Responds to your commands as and when you want it.

Gives a run for money to prados in a straight line Even stavic is too much for 5VZ prado at times.

[Xulfiqar]

Have seen subarus, mazda, nissan and many mitsubishis made mechanics cry and give up toyota chalta hai bas

hahaha - I loved to study new tech and work on newer models made by different manufacturers - its really fun and is also mandatory to keep up with modern advancements

anyway - I used the Subaru example as it is the epitome of nonsense in Pakistan, ask anyone where Subarus are sold to answer his choice of vehicle if disaster like resident evil strikes - they will answer subaru, rock solid no nonsense industrial duty vehicle.

Nissans in poor african countries are known workhorses that refuse to die, yet in Pakistan babbu, nanna, mota, ganja, sust, billa etc etc etc ustaads claim them as FAIL because they dont know any better than a simple chinese generator and our people being "shaksiyat parast" rather than "usool parast" will draw out swords in their revered mechanics honor.

[margallar]

those things are quite fast, one overtook us at motorway at around 190 (while we were at 180),

[imran2d]

hahaha - I loved to study new tech and work on newer models made by different manufacturers - its really fun and is also mandatory to keep up with modern advancements

anyway - I used the Subaru example as it is the epitome of nonsense in Pakistan, ask anyone where Subarus are sold to answer his choice of vehicle if disaster like resident evil strikes - they will answer subaru, rock solid no nonsense industrial duty vehicle.

Nissans in poor african countries are known workhorses that refuse to die, yet in Pakistan babbu, nanna, mota, ganja, sust, billa etc etc etc ustaads claim them as FAIL because they dont know any better than a simple chinese generator and our people being "shaksiyat parast" rather than "usool parast" will draw out swords in their revered mechanics honor.

I liked the examples given by Mr.Xulfiqar, I will speak about Rexton again that the reason of common rail injection problem will be the diesel quality in pakistan and duplicate fuel air filters available in the streets also the handling, 99% people i have seen they do not like to open the hood except oil change or when it does not crank in the morning, benz is not a delicate machine but one should know how to dismantle and how to diagnose the problems,some body above said japanese design simple no it is not the case just check any land cruiser or prado is it is easy for you to do it, no the reason is toyota is so much in pakistan that mechanics handle a lot of cars and then they get some experince to make is alive but you can't feel what they do with its performance,

[spectra]

Japanese simplified in 70's what britishers and Americans messed up till 60's. Those engines can be worke upon by any ustaad aur shagird. An you are very right about the quantity thing, but we as customers choose what is easy to live with so we are equal partners in this monotony.

[Xulfiqar]

speaking of their common rail problems, I had the diagnosis equipment of the delphi HPCR diesel control system, and have recalibrated some unmolested ones back to 100% performance.

They are very robust and simplified compared to the bosch and siemens units of the germans. They can go out of sync if part of the CAN-BUS system goes out of sync due to some fault, usual culprit that I saw was cut/twist of the wiring behind the aftermarket stereo unit that causes the cabin CANBUS network to go faulty. Can bus is like an advanced muxer with less no. of wires doing many jobs at the same time.

The problems in engine hunting, limp mode etc was always due to some mechanic using oversized tools or incorrect techniques to remove assys or even wiring plugs, The fuel filtration system on these cars are 3 stage like MB, one in tank strainer, one pre filter and one main filter before it goes into the high pressure pump. You are supposed to drain the fuel sediment filter at regular intervals.

Another fault I saw was pressure washing a hot engine, the high pressure iron body pump is located upfront the engine and gets very hot while in operation - it has very minute clearances that enable it to generate 27000 psi of fuel pressure in the common rail. If you spray cold water on it when its hot - it will damage itself and you will lose pressure (I dont think that is a design fault - because this engine is mounted in a road going vehicle)