Swapping 5A-FE in charade 86

[Xulfiqar]

sir their are two types of axels making process here..1st is simple cut to appropriate length and weld... 2nd is weld less procedure..i dont know how they will do it but he assured me there will be no welding...and jo marzi ho jaay tootay ga nahi...

to avoid frame from spreading we will be using 2 struts bars...one one the upper side and one under the car...

sir plz tell me best oil for this engine and exhaust piping diameter for this engine...

the other procedure you say is to weld the spider star of the inner joint onto the axle shaft, it spreads out the load to the cup but causes headaches in servicing - as you dont need to get dirty in Pakistan for this job its not your headache..

This is a very oldschool engine and requires a simple engine oil - use the original diameter exhaust piping which I beleive is 50mm at the front and 45 at the mid and back. Your braces need a turnbuckle to tighten the frame once you install the bar. You need to tension the body with it. The lower end of this car cannot be enforced with a simple straight bar. The body flexes from the bulkhead specially when you have put too much of weight ahead of the front wheels with this engine.

[SER_GTR]

Use Normal Engine OIL...

Caltex Havoline 20w-50 With Filter =3 Ltrs......! W/o Filter 2.8L

Don't Overfill It...!

As Xulfi Bhai Suggested...You Need A Tension Type Bar....Not Fixed Brace Type As You Need To Tension It Later ...!!!

[Sharo53]

kindly write plugs name and take wiring diagram. its some thing like 22p,16p XX ok

wiring digram of what?

Headers will be your next upgrade, my advise is go to silencer wala and ask him to make a farma of wire for ur catback and then take this farma to some heavy buses or truck silencer wala and tkae good quality 16 guage pipe of 2.5 inch dia and that guy to bend pipe acording to farma.. i hope u got it. install any 190LPH fuel pump. Headers will be your next upgrade.

what is farma?

[Sharo53]

sir, dont forget to upgrade the brakes! as i told u face to face too, u giving the car the power it wasnt built for so it needs a bit advanced braking system to stop it when u need to. i dont knw much bt experts like xulifqar etc vl give better suggestion for tht.

nd yeah np for the bike u can take it any timee

so guys tell me what should i do with the break system to make it better...?

so kind of you bro

[Sharo53]

Why would he need a 190 LPH fuel pump ? please explain !

he suggested it for power gains....
and you mean there will be no power gains with it...?

Why On Earth Would He Need 2.5" Down pipe For Engine Like 5AFE...?? He Will Loss Almost All His Low End Torque He Might Need....!!
He Need No More Than 40mm-45mm Maxxx Down pipe...! No Need Of Headers Either.....The Standard Manifold Is Enough Of His NEEDs...

Regarding Fuel Pump So ANY OEM Corolla Standard Pump Will WORK.....No Need Of Specific LPH Fuel Pump....!

thanks sir
i will be going for 1.75 inch pipe...

i will be using civic 95's oem fuel pump...will it serve the purpose?

and thanks for the wiring pic..
but it is not very much clear...can give online link to some .pdf file of engine repair manual?

[Sharo53]

the other procedure you say is to weld the spider star of the inner joint onto the axle shaft, it spreads out the load to the cup but causes headaches in servicing - as you dont need to get dirty in Pakistan for this job its not your headache..

This is a very oldschool engine and requires a simple engine oil - use the original diameter exhaust piping which I beleive is 50mm at the front and 45 at the mid and back. Your braces need a turnbuckle to tighten the frame once you install the bar. You need to tension the body with it. The lower end of this car cannot be enforced with a simple straight bar. The body flexes from the bulkhead specially when you have put too much of weight ahead of the front wheels with this engine.

sir are those custom made headers enough strong to handle the power of this engine?

didnt get that part...

you mean the bar im gonna install is not gud for it??
plz show i pic of what type of bar you saying...

[Sharo53]

Use Normal Engine OIL...

Caltex Havoline 20w-50 With Filter =3 Ltrs......! W/o Filter 2.8L

Don't Overfill It...!

As Xulfi Bhai Suggested...You Need A Tension Type Bar....Not Fixed Brace Type As You Need To Tension It Later ...!!!

thanks for the oil suggestion bro...

plz show a pic of it...
and what will be the desi term for it? how will i explain it to him that i need tension type strut bar...?

and what should be the maximum price for it? need to know the price coz he always try to loot me...

and brothers what will be the price of 1.75 inch exhaust pipe..?

[Sharo53]

I am the rest user of this engine. Used it in 88 Corolla and now days using 7AFE in Corolla. 4EFTE in another corolla and 4AFE in a 88 Charade and also had 4EFE in a charade.. Also had a 86 Charade with original CB 23..

Anyhow gud Luck. I hope G11 can handle this engine.. A lot of cuts and welds and tries to fit an engine that is just little too big for this engine bay.

For wiring and everything read this thread of mine.

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/performance-modification-tune-up-preventive-maintenance/154659-finaly-5afe-swapped-ee90

oh yes i have read that whole thread...

as you had already used this engine i want to know how fast is this engine..and how the fuel efficiency?

will my car be able to compete with civic reborn, altis etc?

[Sharo53]

yesterdays update...(A)(A)

engine side funtation completed...

gearbox side mounting completed...

both looking very strong...third is under the car..havent seen that till now..

[SER_GTR]

No Wonder How Good These People Are...Always Try To LOOT Until Or UNLESS You Fix The Price 1st Before Work....Better Write It Down In Front Of Him...!

Anyways....The OEM Fuel Pump Of Honda Civic EFi (Intank Pump) Will Serve The Purpose..But You Can Get One From Corolla .....

Talking About Something Like This

[SER_GTR]

Desi Term= Chori Wali ROD/Nut Wale ROD Or Make Them Understand By Showing Pics

So You Can Tight Them Once You Install To Serve Purpose...

[SER_GTR]

No PDF Manual FOUND For 5AFE......This Is The Best We Find...!

Open Your ECU And Points Are Marked And Written On PCB Inside.... You Can Make Pinout From That Also

[Sharo53]

No Wonder How Good These People Are...Always Try To LOOT Until Or UNLESS You Fix The Price 1st Before Work....Better Write It Down In Front Of Him...!

Anyways....The OEM Fuel Pump Of Honda Civic EFi (Intank Pump) Will Serve The Purpose..But You Can Get One From Corolla .....

Talking About Something Like This

yes thats their nature...yeah i already wrote labour charges in front of them...and that slip signed by him..

the pump is off civic 95...i hope it will provide sufficient pressure...

bro the blue strut bar i showed for the top is of this kind..

the rear one decided was simple bar...but i will ask him to make of that type....

[Sharo53]

No PDF Manual FOUND For 5AFE......This Is The Best We Find...!

Open Your ECU And Points Are Marked And Written On PCB Inside.... You Can Make Pinout From That Also

okay sir..
i will let electrition do the wiring in his own way later i will correct will every ones help here..

[Xulfiqar]

not to burst your bubble but you should not have welded stuff to the car. oxyacet welding joints are not strong as they become brittle by suffering too much heat. The correct way to make a mount is to make a mount bracket completely out of sheet metal and then the entire piece should be tightened with bolts and nuts to the car.

[Xulfiqar]

okay sir..
i will let electrition do the wiring in his own way later i will correct will every ones help here..

You can go ahead, but later on you will understand why everyone recommends building the wiring while the engine is sitting outside the car.

[Sharo53]

not to burst your bubble but you should not have welded stuff to the car. oxyacet welding joints are not strong as they become brittle by suffering too much heat. The correct way to make a mount is to make a mount bracket completely out of sheet metal and then the entire piece should be tightened with bolts and nuts to the car.

i believe no one here can do this all in this this way....hamari majbori ha sir

You can go ahead, but later on you will understand why everyone recommends building the wiring while the engine is sitting outside the car.

actually i had to attend my univercity classes daily...dont have enough time to spend with this stuff...
will correct the wiring in some holidays...

[Sharo53]

kindly someone tell me how much gear oil does this engine needs..

[SER_GTR]

Buy 3 Litres Of 75W-90 Grade Gear OIL Any Good BRAND (ZIC ,Caltex ,MOBIL-1)

Normally It will Take 2 Ltrs But Keep Another Litre For Safety....It will Take More Than 2 And Less Than 3 If Completely Empty...!

[SER_GTR]

You can go ahead, but later on you will understand why everyone recommends building the wiring while the engine is sitting outside the car.

Let Him Do In His way......Good To Learn Things HARD Way

Agreed With Bracket Stuff ..OEM 5A/4A In E100 Series Use Bolt To Hold That Timing Cover Side Mount

The person From Where I Get It Done Use Pieces Of Some SHEET With Gas Welding To Make Them Solid...Never Receives Any Complain...