The EV Thread. Fully Electric Vehicles Exclusive Discussion

[pwuser172952586435]

You need to add regular service and other headaches with petrol cars. How much is the dealer service per 5000km. I was gong to buy 2008 Peugeot or Toyota cross. In that category Atto is clearly better if not going to another city. Petrol engine deteriorates after 200k. I have a 200k city 2013 and had 300k 1.9 Tdi before. I don't change cars easily. But after certain miles nothing survives. After 60000 km is where you get the actual benefit of the EV. Taxi drivers repair vehicles monthly. EVs are going to dominate that segment. Current EVs are CBU once local they should be cheaper and battery tech is changing fast. Expect battery prices to half and capacity to double every 5 years. Just in time for your first replacement.

[j_aquil]

Sindh announces Mini Truck Plant with Chinese collaboration

KARACHI: The Sindh government has unveiled plans to set up a mini truck assembly plant in Karachi, in collaboration with Chinese investors.

The unveiling ceremony of the Super Mini Truck took place in Bozhou, China. Several dignitaries, including Memon and Provincial Minister Syed Nasir Hussain Shah, attended it. Yin Tongyue, Chairman of Chery Holding, one of the key partners in the project, was also present.

Developed by Chery Holding and Pedi Technology Company Limited, the Super Mini Truck is seen as a versatile solution for logistics challenges in both urban and rural areas. Its sustainable, affordable, and accessible design positions it as a strong candidate for reshaping light commercial transport in Pakistan.

Mini Truck with a Smart Twist

One of the most notable features of the Super Mini Truck is its ability to be converted into a Super Mini Car. This flexible design caters to multiple needs within the transport sector, offering adaptability rarely seen in vehicles of its class._

In another forward-looking initiative, charging stations for electric vehicles (EVs) will soon be established across Sindh. Memon highlighted this as a key element in supporting the province’s transition to a green and sustainable transport ecosystem, which will benefit both individuals and business communities.

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[pwuser172952586435]

I am booking the Inverex today. Will book, sell 2013 City and then will be 100% EV and Solar.

[AkbarGr8]

Are you getting ready delivery? What colour / variant did you choose? Congratulations

[ifadey]

Congrats. I hope it serves you well

[mgalaxy3]

Congrats, if you’ve got enough solar capacity to fully charge two EVs at home it’s a great decision. Nothing to lose only to gain

[pwuser172952586435]

Middle one 220 40m. I have 16kw setup. BYD charges only on weekends on when emergency needs at night (2-3 times a month). Inverex will be daily as it is school, home use so more solar time.

[AkbarGr8]

Please let us know when you receive your vehicle. Would love to spread more awareness / feedback on this car to other potential buyers also.

[pwuser172952586435]

To make full payment I am selling my 2013 City. Hopefully this will be done soon. I will be using it as taxi part time for my driver to have some extra income and some expenses covered for myself as there is a lot of free time. If that experiment worked well then I will be inclined to put more vehicles on this. Solar+EV=Cost effective taxis

[AkbarGr8]

I know someone interested in quitting their job due to health reasons and potentially buy / drive the Inverex EV for a living. Your feedback here would be golden.

Solar already installed at home.

I will stay in touch, thank you.

[pwuser167550015690]

How does Solar + EV as a taxi work? Interested in seeing the math involved.

From my point of view, taxis need to drive hundreds of kms in a single day so it's not feasible to charge them at home for several hours. On a 3 kW charger, it would need around 7 hours to charge. Even if you're going for a top up from 30% to 80%, that's still 3-4 hours of downtime.

You'd need the DC fast chargers for it to make sense as a taxi and charge using it at least once a day. You can't install that at home (at least not in an economic way), so your cost would be around whatever the charging station is charging you.

[pwuser172952586435]

That is why I am using my own driver in spare time. To establish the math. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, no harm done as the car has primary usage. It is expected that some fast charging would be needed for full operation. But equally due to low maintenance and running costs they would be under bidding and winning most jobs. This ensures less working hours in theory.

[mgalaxy3]

How long it’s gonna take to break even the cost of car?

[pwuser172952586435]

Only after some testing we can have those number. Currently people are running Mira and other Jap imports that are costing 32-38 lacs and they are doing okay. With 40 EV it cannot be that bad given that we are paying a lot less for fuel and a lot less for maintenance because less vibrations, break usage (due to Regen Brakes), no oil changes routines that taxis pay 4000-8000 per month, less stress on other parts due to less and evenly distributed weight. Given my experience in other countries soon most taxis will have to be EV to make profit as EVs will undercut the petrol car fares. Once there are driverless, they will undercuts everything as no driver cost either (likely not in PK for a long time)

[mgalaxy3]

Agreed.
However, we don’t know how much EVs will depreciate once you have to sell them after a few years. If charging taxis at commercial chargers the electricity is also going to be very expensive, probably the most expensive in the world. As taxi charging at home isn’t really feasible it has to be out of service 6-7 sunlight hrs a day for that.

ICE cars in Pakistan do not depreciate. A Mira will sell a few years later either at cost price or at a profit.

I suspect we will have to factor in depreciation for the resale of EVs. What percentage? I don’t know yet. Let’s see in a few years. Maybe they won’t depreciate much at all.

[pwuser172952586435]

Agreed, but dynamics are changing. I spent most of my adult life outside of Pakistan. Cars never appreciate. Due to lack of availability, lack of alternatives, rupees devaluation cars appreciated. This is not going to happen anymore. Now it will be the pace of devaluation that might differ. Cars are no longer store of value, just like an iPhone. We have max two years before we see that. Max three before ICE cars will not be viable as taxis. Max 110/ unit. Full at 20 or 30 units depending on 200 or 300 variant is nothing compared to fuel.