The New E10 Fuel

[nsb_986]

Hey PW'ers, Did anyone use the E10 Fuel? What is the difference in performance?

[hsumbal1]

I am waiting for it to be launched in Lahore.
But still havent seen it on any filling station.

Do let me know if it is available.

[ahsanzs]

I've used around 100 litres in different cars. I noted no difference in anything (pickup/consumption/smoothness) except that E10 costs 62.81 per litre whereas premier XL is 65.11/-.

It has a slightly different smell, less pungent than regular and more intoxicating like hi-octane. Since I haven't yet bought it in a bottle, I can't tell you about the colour (colour additives are added to distinguish fuels across different types or different brands).

Since ethanol has a high octane number, octane number of petrol blend wth ethanol should be greater than regular petrol. However since none of the cars (in which I used E10) knock on regular therefore I am unable to tell you about it.

E10 is being very popular with motorcyclists since it is cheaper.

UPDATE: I've used E10 on some cars which knock on regular (due to spark advance or just because of poor quality kerosene-mixed fuel). Using E10 completely ends the knocking. This means the octane number is indeed higher.

UPDATE2: Colour is exactly identical to regular (dark pink).

[mehrozniazi1]

never heard of it ..

[KamranAslam]

@ahsanzs: on which pump its avialable in Khi and locations ???

[ahsanzs]

never heard of it ..

On PSO official website, E10 price is listed in the chart (lower right) listing current prices of all fuels. There is a big E10 launched in sindh logo on the upper right which on clicking displays this:

On the product prices page, E10 is the first one listed (because of alphabetical order).

Press release 8th July 2009: PSO All Set to Launch 'E10 Gasoline'.
Press release 15 Aug 2009:PSO Launches 'E10 Gasoline' in Karachi.
Press release 12 Jan 2010: PSO's E-10 Gasoline proves successful in Sindh.

Unfortunately on the 15th Aug press release PSO website has hiccuped and it is written 15th Aug 2006. And font first two pages is also different from the third (look at it, I've copy pasted).

E10 is also available at select stations in Hyderabad, Khyber (not NWFP but a small town near Hyd) and Nawabshah as per the newspaper ad. I haven't went there and confirmed it, though.

UPDATE1:
Press release 3rd July 2010: PSO Launches E-10 Fuel in Punjab.

[shahbaz_79]

this fuel is 90% regular 95 octane petrol + 10% pure industrial ethanol obtained by sugar molases.

The main point is that the oil companies are not offering the full price benifit of adding ethanol to normal petrol.

In some countries almost 100% ethanol is being used as fuel, but some engine and efi mod has tobe done because of higher octane rating. But for pakistan only 10% addition does not require any mods at all.

[PuNk]

Ethanol is by product of sugar cane waste but because of high profitability its now the main product extracted from sugar cane. It has created shortage of sugar cane. And thats why the sugar is now getting extinct and expensive

[PuNk]

Ethanol is by product of sugar cane waste but because of high profitability its now the main product extracted from sugar cane. It has created shortage of sugar cane. And thats why the sugar is now getting extinct and expensive

[sahirzzz]

well dude i will differ from u on the point of productivity. there are abt 32 industrial products obtained from sugarcane and ethanol is one of them. is is same group of carbons that sugar belongs to. but u can still get ugh sugar and ethanol side by side without compromising the productivity of other. and well the ideal ful mixture would contain abt 40% of ethnol and that is the aim of govt. alternate energy board is doin this job for govt.

[ahsanzs]

@ahsanzs: on which pump its avialable in Khi and locations ???

On the PSO at Serena (Sakhi Hasan), PSO near mosque Baitul-Mukarram (university road), PSO near Nagin chowrangi (nowadays Nagin multi-storey flyover) and PSO Al-Madina near New Karachi powerhouse roundabout. (They have mostly chosen areas where people would prefer cheaper fuel). I think it should also be available on the big PSO station beside McDonalds block A North Nazimabad (not confirmed just saying because it is a big place). An E10 banner is also placed at the PSO pump at Manzil Pump (Shabbir tile) but I haven't checked.

You'll spot the E10 logo on the board above the fuel dispenser (I don't have a photo so it is difficult to explain). I mean they have pasted stickers of E10 logo just beside the PREMIER XL written. E10 is not available at all the fuel dispensers on any station.

PSO has printed ads in many newspapers which list all the pumps where E10 is available. Posters with similar content also on every pump where E10 is available, but I don't know why don't they publish it on the website for public's ease.

this fuel is 90% regular 95 octane petrol + 10% pure industrial ethanol obtained by sugar molases.

The main point is that the oil companies are not offering the full price benifit of adding ethanol to normal petrol.

In some countries almost 100% ethanol is being used as fuel, but some engine and efi mod has tobe done because of higher octane rating. But for pakistan only 10% addition does not require any mods at all.

Regular petrol is not octane 95. (In some parts of the world even high octane is not 95). Regular is around 89-90 octane. And if kerosene is mixed by some unscrupulous pump person, octane number drops even further.

It is not mentioned anywhere that ethanol is 10% by volume or by weight. Can somebody update plz?

Ethanol has its disadvantages. You can't use E85 or E100 in regular gasoline vehicle because it will eat away at the rubber fuel supply pipeline. You need a flex-fuel certified vehicle for that. Also, ethanol is hydroscopic (means it will absorb atmospheric moisture). Plus ethanol production facilities actually use more energy per kg production of ethanol than is provided by burning 1 kg of ethanol so a big debate about ethanol as a viable alternative fuel is going on.

[adonis]

I did a report on Sugar Industry of Pakistan.....Molasses is a by-product of producing sugar out of sugarcane (*****).....This by-product (molasses) can further be refined into three useful products:

1) Ethanol - Used as an alternative to gasoline (petrol)...used 90% - 100% in Brazil as alternative....gives better mileage, better pickup, and costs A LOT cheaper as it is just a by-product.....Only requires a minor alteration in cars' engines.....Moreover, it can also be used to produce distilled alcohol to be exported to foreign countries..
2) Bagasse - Used to make chipboards used for various household and commercial purposes
3) Naphtha - Used for household and commercial purposes (alternative for kerosene a.k.a. mitti ka tail).

Unfortunately, I came to find out that the Oil Companies bribe the government and the relevant ministries to make sure this doesn't happen.....

Therefore, Pakistan exports very small quantities of naptha....

Case in point....A lot of sugar mills produce their own electricity just by utilizing these by-products....

[fahadmiester]

Ethanol is by product of sugar cane waste but because of high profitability its now the main product extracted from sugar cane. It has created shortage of sugar cane. And thats why the sugar is now getting extinct and expensive

you are wrong,ethanol is made from the product left after sugar has been produced,which is exported because alcohol production is illegal in Pakistan

as far as sugar extension is concerned that is due to black marketing or ZAKHERA ANDOOZI as most mills are owned by political leaders

we can produce E-90 which will be way cheaper and better to drive then our normal petrol,brazil the worlds largest producer of sugar cane is already doing so

only the timing in the engine needs to be advanced a little and the fuel will be compatible

bio fuels are the way forward and Pakistan being an agriculture based economy can rule the world if we try

[daniyalahmad]

well I never heard of it :S
even though my dad is an employe of PSO and every news of launching any new product reaches me first but strange that I never heard of it from my dad :S

[shahbaz_79]

E10 means 10% ethanol only. Its as simple as that, if you have some really informative info then give it " imean only the real info".
Thanks.

[wittycranium]

So whats the verdict? It is cheaper, but is it better or worse than regular unleaded petrol.

[daniyalahmad]

I asked my dad about it today and he said that it was a bit cheaper and it would only be available in only Karachi, Islamabad and Lahore and only on some selected stations,
regarding the performance he was like ke yeh awain he shashka he hai :S

[c123pk]

Its NOT a hiccup or anything, it was introduced in the year 2006 !

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/automobile-news/24173-pso-introduce-new-brand-e-10-a

[c123pk]

And i also used it in the year 2006 , its still available at the same pump, Kh-e-Ittehad

[riz_]

Ethanol is produced from many different sources. In Brazil, second largest producer in the world, sugarcane is used. In the US, the largest producer of Ethanol, it is primarily produced from corn. There are plants that are experimenting with switch grass but the production is still quite negligible.

Since corn is a food product; its increased used in fuel production is now starting to cause serious price problems. Beef prices have gone up considerably since almost all cattle used for meat production is corn fed.

E10 is the standard fuel mixture here. In certain states, E85 is starting to catch on. The biggest problem with Ethanol is that it packs 20% less energy by volume compared to gasoline. Also, energy used to produce Ethanol pretty much negates any reduction in green house gas emissions.

Do you want to know why Ethanol exists? Read about Iowa Caucus.