Toyota Yaris XP150 2020 Dedicated Discussion, Owners / Fans Club Thread

[anon35615524]

the insurance is also expensive with the AT

I do not think so. IMO, it depends on the price of the car, and not the type of transmission, unless / until the car is also getting mechanically insured.

YES, your point is right in the sense that prices of cars equipped with AT or CVTs / AGS / AMT, are high as compared to MT, so accordingly, insurance costs are also higher.

Since CVTi is belt driven so there's no transmission breaking.

NOPE Dear, its not true and I strongly disagree here.

I have driven 03 personal cars equipped with CVT; Passo / Vitz in 1000 cc engine, and Nissan Tiida Latio with 1500 cc engine. I never faced any issues going uphill or down hill. Transmission and engine provided the reqd. braking power. The only thing you need is; choose the right gears.

[umairalizafar]

I agree with most of your points. I actually own an Altis 1.8 CVTi, and generally like manuals, but bought Autos so that everyone in the house can drive the cars. I don't believe At or CVT is better than manual, but I do think that the tech has matured to a point where it doesn't matter to majority of the users. Talking for myself, my 1.8 CVT gives a good enough acceleration when required, whether in auto mode or manual mode, and it has given me a fuel economy of upto 19 km/l on motorway, and regularly get 13 km/l in city, for full tank. People generally don't change MT oil, but that is recommended for 40k kms in most cars. CVT oil is required to be changed at 55k in the Altis. Yes, the oil is more expensive, and CVTs are prone to failing earlier, but if it works till the 200k kms I am going to drive the car, I have no issues with it. MT will probably be good for a million miles, but after 200k, I don't care. So, yes, the MT is still better, but the CVT tech is at a point where at least I don't care. I would rather buy the CVT. I believe @basitali87 mentioned At or CVT in hills because new drivers often burn the clutch plate going uphill, especially on turns. Lack of torque doesn't matter if I haven't driven a manual and don't know what I am missing.

[anon35615524]

Engine breaking is not effective due to torque converter. Your primary source of breaking excludes engine & transmission.

This is something new for me, or may be, I am missing a few things.

it's heavier & there's a power-loss due to torque converter (plus, the acceleration lag due to pulley-adjustment thus the rubber band effect) makes it slower & less fuel efficient.

On technical grounds it can be true, but regarding fuel efficiency, I would disagree.

if you wish to push CVTi transmission hard enough time to time, the transmission belt will deteriorate quick enough.

Of course CVT, or any transmission would fail, if you severely abuse / misuse it. Just drive like a sensible person, and transmission will be good to go.

AT is better than MT is a false statement in my opinion.

Both have their Pros and Cons Dear, and none of them is a clear winner.

That's all what I had to say. Thank you.

[anon35615524]

Dear I already have peace with you and everyone here.

I do fully respect your opinion. Was just sharing my point of views too, so that if I am wrong at some places, I correct myself and my opinions, and change them accordingly.

[anon35615524]

People generally don't change MT oil, but that is recommended for 40k kms in most cars. CVT oil is required to be changed at 55k in the Altis.

Timely maintenance is a must for every automobile, irrespective of the type of transmission.

When people skip them, issues start arising.

mentioned At or CVT in hills because new drivers often burn the clutch plate going uphill, especially on turns.

Very valid and strong point, and I have seen it happening in brand new, locally assembled vehicles equipped with MT.

[mahrumer]

Dear prefer to not drive at such speeds.

I usually stay within speed-limits but sometimes, empty roads tempt me but it's wrong to do so as I don't own the road so should respect everyone on the road. I'll surely avoid that in the future.

Both have their Pros and Cons Dear, and none of them is a clear winner.

I'm also of the same view. Knowing factual pros & cons is what important to me as it helps make informed decision.

I do fully respect your opinion. Was just sharing my point of views too, so that if I am wrong at some places, I correct myself and my opinions, and change them accordingly.

Absolutely @basitali87 Sb. Respect.

I agree with most of your points. I actually own an Altis 1.8 CVTi, and generally like manuals, but bought Autos so that everyone in the house can drive the cars. I don't believe At or CVT is better than manual, but I do think that the tech has matured to a point where it doesn't matter to majority of the users. Talking for myself, my 1.8 CVT gives a good enough acceleration when required, whether in auto mode or manual mode, and it has given me a fuel economy of upto 19 km/l on motorway, and regularly get 13 km/l in city, for full tank. People generally don't change MT oil, but that is recommended for 40k kms in most cars. CVT oil is required to be changed at 55k in the Altis. Yes, the oil is more expensive, and CVTs are prone to failing earlier, but if it works till the 200k kms I am going to drive the car, I have no issues with it. MT will probably be good for a million miles, but after 200k, I don't care. So, yes, the MT is still better, but the CVT tech is at a point where at least I don't care. I would rather buy the CVT. I believe @basitali87 mentioned At or CVT in hills because new drivers often burn the clutch plate going uphill, especially on turns. Lack of torque doesn't matter if I haven't driven a manual and don't know what I am missing.

I couldn't agree more. 100% spot on. It all boils down to personal preferences.

[ali454]

Though its just an opinion and I respect that but let me tell you why Automatics are better:

I alternatively drive 3 cars. One of them is a Manual 1.5L, one is Auto 1.6L and the other one is CVT 1.8.

Manual gives better mileage - Agreed. But frankly the difference is not great.

Auto (conventional/cvt) is better to drive in the mountains.
Why?
1. Its less tiring.
2. The car always remains in the power band as it selects the right gear instantaneously according to demand whereas in case of a Manual its a constant wrestle with the clutch and gear lever.
3. The gear ratios allow for a better Engine braking downhill as compared to Manual.

I learned a lesson for life when I was stuck in traffic on the way to Babusar top from Chilas. Guys in automatic cars were chilling. Whereas I was in a Manual car and I was in a constant struggle with the clutch, handbrake and accelerator because of Rollback on that steep road.

You surely would not want to be in a Manual car in that situation. Trust me.

[mian.z.arain]

Ap ny sale kr di ar mene purchase kr li ... just for a change

[mian.z.arain]

Mind na krna bro... umer bhai k aik text ka reply ap ny 6,7 messages me dia ha.... jonk readers ko irritate krta ay jesy ap apna opinion force krna chah rae o... beshuk ap aesa na b krna chahty o lekin jb itny zada replies reader dkhta ha tou usko yehi feel hta ha...

I am saying this in respectful manner.. koi harsh feelings nai...

[anon35615524]

Mind na krna bro...

I am saying this in respectful manner.. koi harsh feelings nai...

None taken dear, unless / until things start getting personal, messy and ugly.

umer bhai k aik text ka reply ap ny 6,7 messages me dia ha.... jonk readers ko irritate krta ay

If I would have replied everything in a single post, I am quite sure that none would have bothered to read it; including myself.

It would have been too long.

jesy ap apna opinion force krna chah rae o

Trust me Dear, I never thought in this way.

If you, and other members say, and do not like them; just let me know or flag them. And I'll delete any / all of such posts.

[mian.z.arain]

Nhn nhn me bs single post ka keh ra tha... and flag wali tou koi baat e nai...

[mahrumer]

Absolutely & I agree too. If I may, I would like to add a few thoughts of my own & I'll try not push my opinion too.

I've switched from a renowned AT car (2017 Altis 1.6) to 2020 Yaris Ativ MT only because of relatively newer generation NR engine offered in Pakistan so far it's proving well.

1.6 returns 8-9 kmpl fuel efficiency, Yaris returns double of that - it's based on my driving habits. I drive a bit faster than a normal traffic flow (yet obey all of the traffic rules & a heavy user of mirrors & indicators).

1. Totally agree that AT is less tiring but it depends. MT is painful in stop & go traffic, especially on hills where hand-brake is needed. Luckily, Yaris' hill assist eliminates that problem.

2. PKDM-ATs are not designed stay in a power-band. Depress the accelerator moderately and it'll downshift instantly & that's where the lag is. Please try that and you'll know it.

3. AT is a lot more vocal compared to actual speed output than MT. Cover 100 km on hilly and you'll start to experience loss of power/brakes. In both uphill & downhill.

To me, it's more tiring when trying to overtake vehicle ahead (especially on hills) than sitting in stop-&-go traffic. Yes, you can switch to L/S/B/Sports modes but then your economy goes down by 30%. Engine gets too vocal & engine response doesn't match up. That's why, people tend to avoid using it.

Interestingly, Toyota is ditching CVTi for direct-CVTs which, in my opinion, is to address these known behaviors. Same is the case with the Honda, that's switching to DCT.

But again, it's all about personal preferences. Trend is changing & when I'll hit 40 years age mark, I'll be more calm & would love ATs.

Peace & Eid Milad-un-Nabi mubarak ho ap ko.

[mahrumer]

Congrats sir.
It's a amazing, peppy machine for the general urban driving with rock-solid build quality.

P.S.
Please don't pay much attention to lot of my criticism with 1.6 Altis & AT in general. Being a software-architect, I'm into excellence & perfection with everything I own & use.

[mian.z.arain]

I am enjoying your explanations instead and you are right about everything so far... Bs ab mizaj thnda ho gya ha, wo aik waqt ata ha na bndy ki driving me calmness ajati ha, music low sun’by lg jata ay, bass waly songs zada nai a hy lgty bs wo e chl ra ay

Wrna manual k bht mazy ly liye, rebirth, city, altis, gli, indus ye sb manual me e rkhin thin last 10-15 years me....

[mgalaxy3]

PKDM-ATs are not designed stay in a power-band. Depress the accelerator moderately and it'll downshift instantly & that's where the lag is. Please try that and you'll know it.
AT is a lot more vocal compared to actual speed output than MT. Cover 100 km on hilly and you'll start to experience loss of power/brakes. In both uphill & downhill.

Both statements not quite true. Both statements don't justify MT to be better.

Re. Auto being more VOCAL, not sure what you mean. That depends on the transmission. Like only some underpowered cvts can be. But it's not a bad thing in itself.

You don't experience loss of power in autos after 100km on hills. Where did you pull that up from.

Seems like you had a bad personal experience, either incorrect usage or a faulty transmission.

Manual transmission today is just for manual enthusiasts.

The only material factor can be fuel consumption, but the difference is very minimal. Like auto Yaris will have 95% same average as manual Yaris.

Maybe 1-3km/L difference.

[ali454]

I have driven Manuals and Autos in almost every terrain this country has for quite sometime now and your opinion is pretty hard to digest honestly.

Automatics more vocal? If you mean those JDM Dinkies with tiny engines with CVT screaming when pushed, Yes correct.
But not with 1000+ cc cars.

Autos generally operate at lower RPMs as compared to manuals so they are more quite and the engine has more life due to less wear and tear. When pushed, all cars are 'vocal' auto/manual doesnt matter.

Autos loosing power after 100km on the hills?Still dont know what you mean.

PKDM autos not designed to stay in power band? No PKDM car is designed For or In Pakistan. The hardware is exactly the same as for the rest of the world.

Autos are better at overtaking in the hills because of instant downshifts for power. In case of a Manual you have drive like a Schumacher to do that.

Using L/S modes lead to decreased fuel economy? Thats exactly what happens in a Manual car when you push in lower gears.

I drive a 1.6 Altis on the same route I drive a Manual.
The difference in Mileage is not more than 2km/Litre.
There is no way a manual gives twice as better average as an Auto.

Pakistanis are smart at saving Money. They can literally put their lives at stake to save money.
Dont you think theyll be ditching automatics if the mileage was so poor?

[mgalaxy3]

This guy @mahrumer is posting so much illogical and wrong information it's hilarious.

Ok, you shifted to manual, good for you.

Don't make up things about automatics which don't exist.

[mohammadali_1]

Dear expert, VSC and Traction Control are one and the same thing. Kindly take this out of your mind that Yaris got these features due to raised height.

Yaris has all this because IMC intends to make it its Flagship car and best seller. I have felt a certain bias in your opinion against yaris.

I am pretty much sure that you dont own one, neither have you ever driven it

[OgRe1985]

When you are at Pakwheels you will see only love for Automatic vehicle. But when you are in real world and not in Lahore Karachi everyone will prefer manual vehicle. But pakwheels pe manual car ki na koi resale hai aur na hi koi value.

[umairalizafar]

Traction control has nothing to do with vehicle height. It just makes sure the driven wheels are at the same speed, that is, the wheels have traction and don't slip. Similar to what ABS does during braking, it just makes sure that the car's wheels don't slip, and maintain traction.

Higher body cars have a higher center of gravity, and if not driven with care, have a possibility to flip. Traction control can't do anything in that scenario. It just applies brakes to the effected tyres, that is not going to do anything if the tyre doesn't have contact with the road. Therefore, traction control can't help tall body design cars from flipping. It might help on slippery roads, on snowy roads etc., during oversteer or understeer, but it won't help you if your wheels don't have enough contact with the road.

Toyota generally adjusts the suspension of its cars according to our rough roads, where a softer suspension and higher suspension travel actually helps road grip in rough roads. Honda makes stiff suspension and lower rides, which might be good on motorways, and look like they have better road grip on motorways, but u take them to a GT road or any village road, and u will know why it doesn't sell as well as Toyota. The road grip is not ideal on rough roads for that kind of suspension. But this is all suspension design, TRC has nothing to do with it. It will help when u go north, or when u want to move on some slippery pavement, not when u breach the cars physical limitations and the wheels get off the ground.