Quote:Originally Posted by enerlevel
imagine u have 2 lac rupee, would u want to buy a mehran and start driving or would u buy a 24" rim and put it in the store thinking tht when u have enough money for the rest of the "merc" then u will buy the car...
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Alright. Very well said MashAllah
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But as per poster
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Quote:Originally Posted by mani1
Guys which of these is the best component system. Budget is around PKR 40,000. The setup is for a civic so please keep the mounting issues etc in mind. There would be no subwoofer in this setup (so good bass response from comps is essential) and coaxials along with front components would be used only. Dynamat Extreme dampening on all doors. HU is a Pioneer 4250DVD
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1)CS 265 X-Plain Pro - Rainbow 6.5" Component System
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2)Iridium 6.2 - DLS 6.5" 2-Way Component System
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3)165KR2 - Focal 6.5" 2-Way Component System with TNK Tweeter (Although international price is higher, they are available locally for around 37,000)
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Which ones do you suggest?
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Now which part of the PKR 40,000 you did not understand? 40k is hell lot of money just for the components, why suggest him 10k 15k comps when he has got money for both Mehran and the 22inch rims you mentioned
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Type R vs NV vs Focal debate<o:p></o:p>
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Quote:Originally Posted by enerlevel
it was clearly stated by u tht <st1:City><st1:place>ur</st1:place></st1:City> average was less. therefore tht must have triggered 959 on giving his suggestions of getting cheaper components and spending on the other stuffs. otherwise no one is so silly to compare type R or nv against high end focal or hertz components, serious no ones so dumb . but u see everything has a "bang for the buck"
for 6-9k range, the best components i have heard are kenwood 1702p , from 10-15k , the best i have heard are fusion nv. it all depends on the range.
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MashAllah again were well said. But i remember 959 saying it very differently.
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Quote:Originally Posted by 959
SIr
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Get an Alpine CDA 105 with Alpine SPR17S and rear fill SPS69C2 with a 12" ALpine Type E in a sealed enclosure, a good <st1:stockticker>JBL</st1:stockticker> Multichannel AMP and a Kenwood M series or Sony GTX low power Mono AMP.
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YOu can slowly play with filters, EQ and installations and then upgrade to anything you wish.
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Maybe it sounds funny to you but eventually I can make it sound better then your Focals and Pioneer combined worth much more.
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Sorry brother but the facts say he did compare Alpine Type R components with Focals components and it was more of an "all out open challenge" that he can beat Focal comps with an Alpine Type R components. oh my.!!!!!
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So, Mr, please read the whole topic again and again until you grasp what actually happened in the topic. Dont twist n turn the truth just to start another flare or a phuljhari which you are trying to start here and fond of too. Please avoid it, bohat mehrbani hogy aapki.
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I guess 959 is not a kid and he can speak for himself, no need for you to do wakalt for him.
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Cheers.
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Sir there is no harm in favouring anyone.
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Secondly, there was no challenge involved; I just said I can make it sound better.
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Also, no SQ, SPL or SQL system (whatever the definition is) is complete without a SUB and AMP, which is the basic rule of any A/V system either it is home theatre or ICE, irrespective of cost.
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The 2 channel SQ theory does not go well with an A/V system and DVD player.
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Further, I advice with full responsibility, one can add the IMPRINT kit with Alpine and change the Type R with 3 way Focal or Morel or any high end component in no time if not satisfied but you cannot sell your 40K Rs components that quickly.
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There is a view that SQ is achievable, it is flat, no crossovers, no SUB, no rear image required, but that is far from truth or else there would be no need to develop 31 band L/R equalizers in HUs, 500$ crossovers, DSPs and 2,000$ SUBs and believe me SPL people usually do not need that stuff.
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There is a reason why all high end <st1:stockticker>DVD</st1:stockticker> players of Pioneer and Alpine have dedicated outboard DSP.
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We give least importance to SOURCE; the fact is that even in a very high noise SPL system you can just change the bread and butter Pioneer 7250SD with a 5 years old 8650 and you can hear a clear audible difference and that difference will grow when a person will move to 9650, P80RS, P90 Combo & P99RS unless the person is listening to a radio (even there is clear listening difference in listening 106.2 FM with Supertuner III used in 7250SD, IIID+ in P80RS and the D4Q in P88RSII) even a 320K VBR is enough let alone the lossless media.
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<st1:stockticker>JBL</st1:stockticker> made the much acclaimed MS-8 processor, but it proved to be a flop and no one buys it because it has those 2.5V PreOuts and no gold plating.
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So each and every factor works when designing or installing a good system.
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There is also a car audio certification degree where one can learn to play with audio stuff by the book, instead of trial & error.
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All best buy and Crutchfield technicians are preferred as certified for car audio and current practioners.
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If you think these suggestions are a challenge, I am still on it.
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Apart from that stuff talk, I have never seen the KRX2 or DLS iridium in a Corolla or Civic apart from our land of pure, as some of our respectable PW members had already said that there are very few PW members with Corollas having Focal components in them.
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That does not in any way mean that they will not sound good in these cars or they should not be installed in a Civic, or these cars are inferior in any way, a driver is a passive device, it will do its job even if you install it in a FX or a Maybach Zeppelin.
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The only point is that they will sound much better in a better car or a car with better acoustics or better after market sound deadening, it is simple, nothing to infer, nothing to be implied.
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One can get a pretty decent sound by a 100$ set of components but if someone is spending that much on a driver that clearly means that either he wants to “Compete” or he is a “Perfectionist” who wants to get the best possible sound in a given budget.
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There are not many car lovers who just buy 40K components for the sake of it or for a daily routine driver.
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Both ways you cannot ignore the attention to details.
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Like using a FLAC or less lossy or lossless media is a part of that.
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Another thing which needs clarification is that I never said any Focal or audio stuff is FAKE, if anyone can prove that I would be more then happy.
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It is just a wrong interpretation, all the Pioneer Reference grade, Premier, Stage 4 or Alpine F1, Clarion HX, Denon and Sony high end stuff are made in <st1:country-region><st1:place>Japan</st1:place></st1:country-region> and they are built with a very tight tolerance.
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Even the Harmon Kardon flagship GTI SUBs are tested for 100 hours straight, the reason is that every company reserves the best for their home market (especially Japanese and Germans).
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That goes true for any stuff, why do our fathers still remember Sony of JAPAN which is running in homes since decades and why can one only find the Nismo GTR or a 2.0L 328GTS in Italy or a FD2 Type R in Japan.
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You get what you pay for, there are manufacturing and assembling differences in stuff from <st1:place>North America</st1:place> and those which are from <st1:place>Asia</st1:place>.
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Anyone can take a close look at the assembling of my Uncle’s W204 from Thailand and my old W202 made in Germany and same could be said about my old 500$ (years ago) P series Sony Camera bought from Canada and the Made in China one bought locally for 20K Rs whose lens stopped working after 3 years.
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Why do still people are ready to pay M Rs for a decade old JDM cars.
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How do you think a 1,200-1,400 USD components are available for half price? That too in PKR when an Alpine with a 300$ street price are selling at almost double the price.
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Can anyone imagine to have a NA E63 AMG for 4.6M PKR or a even a cheap Sony Alpha A230 with 18mm kit for 12,000 Rs.
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It is not possible even if they come through Pak China FTA.
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It is only possible to make it in countries with low production cost and tolerance.
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Also, I till believe that Alpine and Pioneer are the undisputed leader in Car Audio, either it is SQ, SQL or SPL, if they have started preferring the IpodPhile against AudioPhile that does not mean they cannot make a good product, just like Honda who has stopped making good cars but they have not forgotten how to make it.
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Also, if anyone wants to be the best he has to observe the best, I never intended to start a SQ competition or something like that, but we can never make a good SQ system when we will defy the rules of the game.
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It is just like that an F1 driver can never drive wrong in a city driving or a GT championship.
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There is no use of beating the bush and we should also respect each other at all costs irrespective of age, experience, wealth or stuff.
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When we loose our temper we only loose respect, which is why I had stopped making a comment when I thought that I am loosing my temper or tend to misbehave.
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@Enerlevel and most Team Deka members are here since we use to discuss the difference between 303R and 306C.
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So they sure need a thing or two about car audio and making a SQ system or SPL system is not a whole new thing, it is just how you spend your money, on a luxury Saloon or on sports car, the only important things are skill, knowledge and experience .
