Repair and Maintenance - Honda Civic 8th Gen

[zooklife]

Bhaijan, as stated above by someone else aswell, kindly change you mechanic! Go to someone who can do compression test of your engine also.

[pwuser164499793779]

Yes, I wont be going back to him the only reason I was bound to him was because the car wouldn't hold the gear oil at all and it wasn't in the condition for me to take it anywhere until the said part was changed.

[pwuser164499793779]

One thing I'm curious about is that whether this model came with a shield for the transmission on the underside? Because someone just recently also told me that, my car's transmission shield is missing as well?

[Mun33b]

No, this model doesnt have separate transmission shield. It has engine splash shield which covers the area between bumper and radiator (and little further but doesnt cover engine and transmission). It runs between both fender shields.

[pwuser164499793779]

@Mun33b It does have the engine splash shield for that matter, Thank you! Just wanted to makes sure I didn't actually have something misplaced in the process. As for the rest the problem is resolved Alhamdulillah and the leaks are gone, the spark plugs have been replaced with the genuine spark plugs.

There's just one weird sound coming from the right side like something is brushing against the tire when I turn towards the right. I've had the "Goda" checked but it's fine and the mechanic stated uski awaz tak tak kar k aati. Where as this sounds a bit more like kirr kirr as if koi patri tyre se lag rahi ho

[Mun33b]

Is the fender shield genuine and installed properly with clips? china ones dont have correct design and rubs with tyre.
Is your alignment correct? check the no. turns of steering wheel from center to right and center to left. They need to be equal, if its turning more to right, the tyre will rub against the frame of car. You will be able to find a groove like scratch on the frame behind the right wheel if this is the case.

[pwuser164499793779]

@Mun33b I'll check this in the morning! I had no idea about how this can be checked until your statement. I'll update you about that. And yes the fender shield is genuine it is slightly in rough shape near the outer edge with a small bit missing now but for the rest it's installed properly with proper clips. A few were missing and so I had them replaced as well recently to no avail and difference on the sound.

The steering leaked today, I had a lot of oil underneath the car in the morning. Had to get it checked turned out the clips holding the pipe? Weren't tightened and the oil was leaking from one end. Tightening them seems to have fixed it. I bought the Honda PSF myself to pour into it as All the oil had leaked. I was being guided to just pour in kixx ATF into it could that actually compensate entirely for the Honda PSF? Oddly the steering feels stiff now, the mechanic had poured in bits of my ATF into it before and it was really soft until now. Had me thinking what's going on.

[Mun33b]

Did you bleed the system after refilling the oil (by turning steering end to end 15 times while car is raised on ramps). What do you mean by tightening the clip? was it a screw type gem clip (thats only 1 in the system, on the return pipe going to bottle). All others are spring type clips and cant be substituted with screw type (as spring keeps constant tension and compensates for rubber compression/heat expansion).
If oil was drained, was the pump ran dry? that would kill the pump (and steering will become hard). Kixx ATF is not replacement of honda PSF. Never use any other fluid other than honda psf in a honda steering, else the seals will start to leak.

[pwuser164499793779]

Sorry about the late reply, hadn't been well the last 5 days and only barely got up today, and yes he did something similar with it lifted up on double jacks but not that many times, barely 5/6 times at max. And it was the one linked to the bottle and one underneath the car apparently, cause he crawled underneath and tightened something up and that seems to have fixed it. The odd thing is that the steering was still butter smooth and till the moment i took it in, maybe cause it had leaked out around the same time?

I find it hilarious how my old mechanic specifically told me that i shouldn't put ATF in there no matter what, but every other mechanic (9/10) stated that there's no issue, just pour that in and cut your cost, even those who had the PSF (the one i bought it from) was pushing me to get the ATF lol. I don't get these people at all. Sir woh menga hai, sirf farq nhn hai, sir mai bata raha hu befikar ho k le lain ATF, sir itni garriyo mai daala aaj tak issue nhn aaya, and on my insisting for the PSF theek hai sir, dekh lain marzi hai. Like, what? XD

[pwuser164499793779]

So one thing gets resolved and another starts with this. I'm sorry to bother you again but the car has been making a weird sound only when turning right ever since I got it back. It's more audible at low speeds when it's turned fully towards the right and at high speeds when it's even slightly turned. It sounds like krr krr krr and no one is able to diagnose where it's coming from. I've been told it could be one of the following

1. Something in the gear making the sound which didn't make sense as to why it would make a sound and only whilst turning right?

2. Axle but another mechanic said that produces a tuk Tuk kinda sound and this is different.

[Mun33b]

Is this sound present when the car is stationary or only during drive. If so, check wheel bearing (lift car up and check wheel play by grabbing the wheel at 12 o clock and 6 o clock position). You can put it in drive while its lifted on ramps and turn the steering to reproduce it. Dont think its transmission as that would whine on straight drive aswell.

[pwuser164499793779]

@Mun33b It's only audible when it's driving and turning. Barely sometimes I'm able to recreate it by turning the steering right whilst its stationary. But thats a 1/10 situation and it's barely audible like a subtle krr and that's it.

However during the alignment that I got done 2 days ago, the guys there tried to reproduce it by putting it on driving and then turning it however during that the car was absolutely silent.

[Mun33b]

When you are hearing it while driving and turning, does it go away with braking? Can you feel the brake pedal translating that sound as vibration?
Also you mentioned that transmission was removed. Were axles put back in properly (it needs a good shove to lock the c clip in groove)

[pwuser164499793779]

@Mun33b I can hear it whilst driving and turning only towards the right side yes, it doesn't go away even if I'm braking unless I have stopped completely, the moment I start to accelerate once again towards the right it starts to occur again. And no I haven't felt the vibrating on the brake pedal wrt the sound.

Yes the transmission was removed and the axles I wouldn't know about is there a way for me to reassure the the c clip is locked in place? The axle seal was replaced.. so something pertaining directly to the axle then perhaps?

[pwuser164499793779]

I actually made a recording of it just now, its standing on a slope where the right side of it is higher than the left and with the pressure on the right side of the car, the sound becomes constant (I hope I made sense with what I'm trying to say) is there a way for me to show you the video perhaps you'd be able to better assess it that way? I left it parked in that state so that I'd be able to get it checked or least record it and share it somehow. The sounds clearly seems to be coming from behind the wheel.

[pwuser164499793779]

Adding again as my anxiety over the sound was kicking in and I had a mechanic near my office inspect it, he showed me that the sound is in fact coming from the transmission and the guy said it's either a "Loose Qabla" or the plate? Touching the gears inside the transmission because as soon as he tilted the car towards the left at his shop using jacks, he was able to reproduce the sound instantly.

[Mun33b]

You can upload it to youtube and share the link here. Well this doesnt sound good. Seems like something either got damaged while replacing the transmission seal or something foreign got inside and is grinding when the transmission is tilted. For replacing torque convertor, the transmission is only removed from engine and not disassembled. You mentioned that this sound came after the repairs were done.
Also, have you checked ATF level on the dipstick. It could be low oil and the pump getting starved on tilting and making the noise.
The transmission itself wasnt exactly expensive (20-25k for whole kabuli unit with torque convertor), I dont know why that mechanic changed torque convertor in the first place, and why not the whole unit.
The problem here seems not with the car but with the mechanic. I would suggest you to not proceed before finding a good mechanic (few were suggested here aswell).

[pwuser164499793779]

It's as if he purposely did a job for me to get bound to him, the only advantage I had with this one was my seniors where I work, sponsored me so I could make easy payments to him in case if the payment exceeded my budget.

Yes the sound came after the repairs were done it was soundless before that, the transmission fluid was a bit over the limit not excessively over limit but slightly and has been that way since the change. He's charged me 15.5k for the adjuster.. told me that the transmission is expensive (40-50K) and hence why its better to have it repaired.

As of right now he had stated if anything pertaining to the transmission shows up again he would be responsible for it and resolve it without any further charge. And now I am absolutely perplexed as I can't truly afford expensive repairs in one go when I've already spent roughly 60K on it. And the mechanic from the person on YouTube wasn't able to diagnose it, no one was until today and right now.

As for the video, I'll upload it and share the link soon as I'm on wifi.

[pwuser164499793779]

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOnBUDqGpZdh7RQvoCFkM6zD95bgQ

@Mun33b I uploaded them to my one drive I hope that's okay? Here's both of the videos I recorded of the sound emitted.

[Mun33b]

First thing: Transmission inspection cover is missing from beneath and the flex plate is exposed (the rotating gear visible beneath engine where transmission mates engine). Get it installed back else dust etc get tangled and in worse case damage main engine seal.
The sound seems external. Have you checked engine pulleys? A faulty alternator bearing, compressor bearing, tensioner bearing can sound the same.
To test, take a long screw driver, place the end at alternator and put your ear on the handle. Place the screw driver one by one on each rotating auxiliary and notice if you hear same pattern sound. You can also place screw driver on transmission to rule out if its from transmission.