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[zianjeroexceed]

Lastly if the stalling and heating issue's were fixed by you, right now instead of complaining to you, i would be calling you and telling you to find me some offroad tyre's that i can buy as i have to go offroading. But the whole image of you is ruined now.

[JunaidDogar]

My conclusion by listening both sides.

Prime issue is of availability of parts which is definitely difficult for these old dinosaurs in Pakistan.

The person on right side is OP who has paid for premium services but sad to say has received services just like any average mechanic of Pakistan.

OP be brave and keep your passion alive for 4X4 by trying to rectify these issues which are not that difficult or as a last resort swap some Toyota motor in your Pajero which most of us in Pakistan do.

[pwuser162557941033]

If I had known my car had a failing oil pump, I'd have had it done immediately. At that level of engine disassembly, may as well get piston rings done as well.

OP's lack of awareness of the systems involved really bit him in the end. Cooling, valvetrain, etc. are way more important and ABS, 4WD, A/C really doesn't matter when your engine is close to killing itself. I'd expect even a novice to take the radiator and oil caps off and have a look inside at the least.

"Denial case," "superior mentality," "car antenna broken," "parts which will have the most cut in your pocket" should speak for themselves.

@dani_kk did OP ask you to tear the engine down and check if everything's good? Even just take the valve covers off to find sludge? That should've been the absolute first thing to do. The peace of mind of knowing your engine's good, even if you have to pay for disassembly/reassembly and it doesn't need any parts, is important before moving on to anything else.

[Xulfiqar]

Lol

I see that OP posted a couple of videos of fan clutches, a fan clutch is never checked by human hand, and if someone is spinning it by hand and claiming

“Iss ko chakarr do to “2 chakkar aur kkatey ga” is out of his mind.

Fan clutches spinning freely by hand are dry and dead, in rest state they would have a lot of drag as the oil inside the clutch has dropped to the bottom and makes it “lopey” aka draggy. (Thats why you hear a clutched fan roar to life for abt half minute to 2 minutes on a first start stone cold engine)

If your human hand can spin it at about 2000 rpm for about 20 seconds minimum (must be a superhuman) then it can tested, otherwise these are tested on the engine itself or on a motor assembly to spin it up.

Seems like your naive approach bit you, a cold freewheeling fan is a bad fan and will overheat the engine as it has no oil to apply drive to the fan blade wheel when the bimetal expands out.

This isnt rocket science but the folks in the video are busy conning the customer.

Source : bimetal spring valve hydrostatic fan clutches work on a universal principle of moving the silicone oil from the reservoir chamber to the drive area and back to the reservoir as the bimetal contracts again. They have been in use for more than 65 years.

Your mitsi one is not rebuildable, a new one is required. And by new I mean brand new.

[UAHMAD]

@Xulfiqar How much is this engine's Timing belt kit in USA? On ebay it is a little above 100 dollars and almost the same price on some Australian sites.

Here it's been billed close to Rs. 60 thousand.

Just asking out of curiosity. Not hitting someone with an accusation or something.

[Xulfiqar]

A well put together kit from a reputable supplier will range between 260-300 usd, shop markup adds more to this.

Ebay is not a good measure as there are tons of fakes on it.

6g74 on fake, worn or weak t belt is Russian roulette

[zianjeroexceed]

The method danyal bhai tested the orignal cluch fan was the method i told the shopkeeper to test this fan. Tho danyal bhai was in touch of me this time and asked me to ask the shopkeeper that usko bolo "Phankay k peeche se pakar k ghumao and dekho vo phirki ki tarah 3 4 chakar leta hai k nahi leta"

If still according to you both our fan clutches are dead, whats the appropriate solution to this Sir?

[Xulfiqar]

Freewheeling dead cold fan clutch is trash,

The other dragging clutch sesmed good. But needs be tested on hot engine or connect it to a motor and spin it up, then wait for it to freewheel, then use a heat gun to warm the bimetal, you will hear/see/feel the fan roar into life.

If it doesnt engage, its scrap too, (bimetal not working).

Procure a brand new fan clutch.

Btw that shopkeer sounds like hes telling you how to test the fan, not the other way round!

[zianjeroexceed]

A question @Xulfiqar When we cleared the the engine and oil pump out of sludge and gunk, would we assume that the oil pump which was functioning at 50% of its orignal capacity is now functioning at its orignal capacity and is most likely to fail now?

True lack of awareness really bit me, but something else that really bit me is danyal's misguidance as we again come back on topic that a professional who claims to be a good mechanic should not clear clear all my misunderstandings? Or should take advantage of the confusion i am in?

"Grand fathers shop" "as if i am is personal servant" made me say the words you above highlighted sir @pwuser162557941033

[Xulfiqar]

Hmm

So customer gets car repaired by person A and then has it further worked on by person B

Now customer is asking person A to take responsibility of jobs A+B because he paid more to person A.

In which world does this make sense.

E.g. if you have a shalwaar qameez sewn by tailor A and then have it modified by tailor B and dont like it, would you go to tailor A or tailor B?

And the funniest part is that customer claimed he is at point zero of “car know how” but puts claims forward as doctrine, which im finding hilarious, not because i know danyaal (ive never even met or talked to him ever) but I am in this business too and do get such entertaining customers sometimes.

[zianjeroexceed]

No other person except Danyal has worked on my car. Danyal has worked on my car 6-7 Weeks in total, Total cost is infront of you, While I do agree the fan installation happened due to myself, Even after that car has went to danyal bhai 2 or 3 times, The first thing that i asked was if the fan was okay now, and he said yes its free as it should be, He never said that This is wrong, I even have the Original clutch fan with me, We can install that and Than your Job B which took 500 rs and 10 mins Will Be out of the bigger picture of Job A Which Costed 600k and 6-7 Weeks.

[zianjeroexceed]

@xulfiqar I didnt put any claims forward like doctrine, The 2 things I Did were asked by me from danyal first, If im putting any claim here Im Not claiming it, Im asking it from you first to clear things out.

[Xulfiqar]

For everyone asking why i did spend 6 lacs on a 30 year old model, well i was always attracted to pajero's and after saving sufficent money for buying my dream car, i actually did not just went into the market and bought the first car that was on pakwheels, i spent 4 months finding the perfect car, after 4 months i found a total genuine, non showered or even 1 body part painted pajero. Punjab registered(these things were the major things i looked for). After checking and driving 20-22 pajero's. This one was the cleanest one body wise( Ofc it only had bad piston rings).

Picture of My Pajero, I Will Still Always MashAllah to it

I dont know what danyal bhai will say in his defence, but i know one thing for sure, danyal bhai handed me over a car which it was not in the first place.

What kind of buying practice is this? That you chose cosmetics of a 30yr old truck and not its actual working.

No one is ever interested in 30 yr old paint on a 4wd truck, what is more important on such trucks is that they are complete, fully working as factory issued (meaning 4wd etc actually works) and isnt on crutches like missing thermostat etc, spidered wiring and relay galore.

And btw - 99.99% pajeros imported as new in Pakistan in 1992 were diesel, the onesy twosies that were imported as petrol were not these versions but more agricultural with steel wheels and plastic sheets instead of carpets,

Im amazed you didnt know how to tell if it was diesel or petrol, mitsubishi ID plate always has engine name on it.

E.g. old mitsi naming was simple, first number was cyl count and sexond was fuel type, the other 2 were variant.

E.g. 6 is 6 cyl engine, G means gasoline
4 is 4 cyl enfine, D means diesel

[qazisajid371]

Now customer is asking person A to take responsibility of jobs A+B because he paid more to person A.

But person A should take the responsibility for his work I don't know dani kk but i will never ever make any comparison between you both sir i have learnt many many things from u! U replied me and clear my quires because ur capable for the said job

[xenerking]

what seems most unusual is Xulfiqar being in favor of Dani-KK, just because he is from his side of table?

[zianjeroexceed]

Again sir i did drove 500Km 1 way, and 500 Km Way and return home safely on this 30 year old truck before danyal bhai ever touched this pajero. And again the car was completely fine after suspension work, the overheating issue arose after the major piston job, which danyal justified with car misfiring, why was this misfiring not told to me while handing me over the car? or was he waiting for the car to come back the next day after 3 weeks? Another very interesting thing to take from this is First the car overheated due to piston misfiring, than the car overheated due to radiator leakage, Did he not Pressure test the radiator when buying it kabli? or did he just put it in my car. I See no pressure testing above, Anyways fine, Than the car overheated Due to a worn out Water pump, And A Thermostate Valve, All This Done by him, and now the car overheated and the culprit is a bad clutch fan(only due to fact i installed it myself)

Ah Well than thats my mistake, I actually didnt know about Mitsu ID Plate naming, and thats another thing i learnt from you today Sir, Thankyou

[Thinking]

Guys, i understand that i might be less versed or authentic to comment here however i have been to Dani KK once for topping up AC GAS in my car.

since i have been interested and observing work routines of mechanics since last 35 years now i can tell one thing. Dani KK knows more or less what he wants and gets done however he has hired labor.

Once he is supervising things go fine however as soon as there is no supervisor labor does what they do best and that is to find shortcut to get the work done and thus botching the job most of the times.

Trust me its the same case at 3S dealerships and they cover this up with proper hierarchy in the workshop for monitoring and performing tasks.

Ideally any well versed mechanic doing the job himself can do better and that should be the approach.

[Xulfiqar]

Job A of 600k is being counted as one job now? Didnt you claim that the suspension overhaul was part of this 600k?

[zianjeroexceed]

In My honest opinion the blame of overheating right now is going on a bad clutch fan which is installed my me, Okay understandable, But would you also tell me that if i install the original clutch fan that was blocked as shown by him will make my car not overheat anymore? If the car would not overheat on that fan, why was the clutch fan issue bought forward by him, and if the car will overheat, than there are no arguments on this clutch fan issue.

[zianjeroexceed]

I also explained above that that his business model is completely based upon extorting money from your clients in the way of agreeing to everything they say when they first visit you, the next thing you say is that the estimate will be made after opening everything, After that you will do the thing easiest to you. Is the reason why i will still consider the suspension overhaul to be a part of 600k. If he promises me to give suspension + Abs + Gear Switches and see's my happy face that i'll get all work done, me after agreeing and everything opened, than telling me that Abs + Gear can not be done. Is purely a scam of a kind.